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$2M Contract Awarded for Automated Recycling Trucks

Losing bidder objects, however

The township council unanimously awarded a contract to a Pennsylvania company to deliver eight automated recycling collection trucks to Brick.

The council awarded a $2,064,120 contract for the trucks to Gran Turk Company of Bridgeport, Pa.

The contract calls for the trucks – Peterbilt models – to be delivered within 180 days, though Public Works Director Glenn Campbell has said the trucks may be delivered as early as April.

The township will eventually purchase 95 gallon cans which will be compatible with the trucks, with each household in town being issued one. Recycling collection, once the program is in place, will shift to once every other week instead of a once per week schedule.

The move to automated recycling is expected to generate additional revenue for the township, as Brick receives grant funding in return for higher recycling participation, as well as a savings on tipping fees that would be paid to landfills when recyclable items are discarded as trash.

There was one objector to the award of the contract, attorney Michael Wenning of the Bradley Beach-based law firm of Keith, Winters and Wenning.

Wenning said he represented one of the losing bidders, Detcon, of Farmingdale.

Wenning said his client bid based on specifications that called for 8 gauge steel resistant to 100,000psi of pressure, while the winning bid was awarded to a company that had proposed thinner, 12 gauge steel resistant to 80,000psi of pressure.

If his client had bid based on the specification that was actually awarded, the price would have been "substatially lower," said Wenning.

Dennis Kelly, an attorney with Gilmore and Monahan representing the township, advised the council the award of the bid could go forward.

"At this point, the bid, as awarded … was done appropriately," said Kelly.

Wenning said his client intends to "pursue this issue."

Cosmo January 03, 2013 at 07:00 PM
They could do that now and not spend anything on trucks or containers. Pick up every 2 weeks and save money. So we get less service and get to pay the same or more? How long will it take to recover the investment in the equipment and containers?
JD January 03, 2013 at 07:04 PM
Glenn... no reduction in labor... only savings was worker comp related.. here is how you determine labor savings... did they lay anyone off... it they didn't, then no labor savings.. It's about a $5million project with about $250,000/yr in savings if I recall.
Cosmo January 03, 2013 at 07:05 PM
Is it safe to assume you are Glenn Campbell?
Glenn January 03, 2013 at 07:11 PM
No, that would be incorrect to assume that I am Glenn Campbell. My name is Glenn Berry and I am retired and a Brick resident for over 10 years while my wife's family date back to the mid 1950's.
Cosmo January 03, 2013 at 07:17 PM
Sorry I thought you were Glenn Campbell responding with information only he seems to have.
JD January 03, 2013 at 07:56 PM
Here is one of the articles from the summer... http://brick.patch.com/articles/brick-to-switch-to-automated-recycling-pickup As you can see... there has not been any study as to how much worker comp will go down... how much tipping fees will go down... and much more money can be made from more people recycling... but, there is no labor savings... nobody will be laidoff...
clamdigger January 03, 2013 at 08:06 PM
look at the Gran Turk website...the portion that relates to the trucks we will be using. There seems to be little QA on the IT end of things there so who knows what their work is like. http://www.granturk.com/ slide over to equipment and use the drop down for Labrie. Read the info on the Labrie Automizer which appears to be the style of truck that will be used for side loading containers, seems like nobody proof read the write ups before putting it out on their website. I'd like to know what equipment the Peterbilt's will be using for garbage collection.
Cosmo January 03, 2013 at 09:12 PM
So their logic is more people will recycle because we paid for cans & trucks? And w/c claims will fall because they are not picking up empty bottles and cans? Jesus, I have a bridge to sell them.
mike January 03, 2013 at 09:55 PM
Harry Wood, Internationals are always having computer problems and are always getting repaired. My friend repairs heavy duty trucks and always has 2-3 Internationals in his shop every week.
mike January 03, 2013 at 09:56 PM
The town will spend so much money repairing them, not worth the $$$
Brick January 03, 2013 at 09:58 PM
One of the things I love about living in Brick is that we have recycling picked up once a week. Our family tries to recycle everything and with a pick-up every other week and one garbage can (even a big one) we will not be able to fit all of our recycling in it.
mike January 03, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Like JD said, they aren't build from the bottom up in Farmingdale. The business in Farmingdale repairs the trucks for the towns, and prepares the truck for final delivery (like adding graphics, final touches)
Tommy January 04, 2013 at 02:11 AM
Thanks for correcting my typo Glenn. Your correct it is BID RIGGING. By the time any payback is realized on this it will be time to purchase new trucks and cans. This is an insult. I had leaf bags sitting all along the block here for two months, I had to pick the phone up and call for them to get picked up. And Glenn that is Taxation Without Representation in my book. Same treatment as when we couldn't get plowed our for days. It's despicable!
Joseph Bricktown January 04, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Nice Refference to the Indian 741 & Harley WLA, Good Point
Joseph Bricktown January 04, 2013 at 12:06 PM
That's GREAT DAN !! How long before you file for the OPRA request ? & How long will it take for you to post those Bid Specs? I'm Glad to see you are following this up with the bid specs so we can read them ourselves. Friends have told me thatthe brick patch is a wastre of time with only limited information & sketchy stories. Once you post that inf I can prove to others that this is a Valid information sorce & not just a Time waster. Thanks Again Daniel, we are looking forward to your response & Posting of the Bids.
clamdigger January 04, 2013 at 01:02 PM
Dan Nee, can you find out if will we be able to purchase a second recycle can as we are permitted to do with the regular trash bins? I know after 2 weeks I could have more than 1 cans worth of stuff to recycle. thanks, C/D
Tired of the BS January 04, 2013 at 02:05 PM
Why not hold off on this contract all together & allocate the $2 million to further help the residents that fell victim to Superstorm Sandy!!!!!
Cosmo January 04, 2013 at 03:23 PM
Lets see how smart you are. We are spending upwards of 5.5 million for something that will not return investment in our lifetime. It was bullied thru by some people without answering why the plan doesn't save us money. If they really wanted to save money, they should have just made collections bi-weekly and laid off 3 or 4 workers. -no equipment investment or materials investment (cans). Can you smell it? Look to see who buys a new boat in the next 6 months.
Bertha January 04, 2013 at 08:42 PM
I want to congratulate the Director of P.W. and Council for thier decision to award the contract to Grand Turk. I understand that these are the same trucks the township has been using since 1996 with no problems of the roof or sides splitting or rupturing. And are still working today, these are the same trucks that Waste Management and Republic Waste uses in thier automated truck fleet, and these co's don't have to go out to bid. If you can save close to $4,000.00 per truck, do not have to retrain your mechanics, drivers or restock your parts room with new truck body parts it sounds to me that this decision was made with the best intrest of the Tax Payers in mind.
Tommy January 04, 2013 at 11:31 PM
You gotta be kidding me!! Are you serious?
Jerry Belle January 04, 2013 at 11:42 PM
JD, of course you don't get a do-over if you simply screwed up, but if the bids were changed and a lower quality was permitted, then the change in bids should indicate that bids can be re-submitted, no? You seem to accept that the Farmingdale company made an "error" when nothing in this article, nor you saying to see Dan's comment indicates they made the "error". Is it fair to accept the company that submitted a lower quality product without asking if others can meet or do better with their bids (or was only one company privy to information that the bid specs can be altered? Again, Dan's comments don't add any additional light on the subject matter of the specs (it doesn't sound like an OPRA request is going to be made soon either.
Jerry Belle January 04, 2013 at 11:46 PM
JD, re: "Because per Dan, the spec was 12guage... " unless Dan's own comment was removed before I came back to this forum, where does Dan state that the bid specifically called for 12 guage?
Bertha January 05, 2013 at 12:07 PM
Yes Tommy very serious, Do you know the cost of one dump cylinder piston, $7500.00 for a new one, so lets spend more money for untried trucks and throw out the existing inventory and restock with prices such as these. Thats great planning.
Sal Petoia January 05, 2013 at 03:25 PM
Bertha: I don't think it is as simple as that. Years back the Board of Education switched from gasoline engines to diesel engines in their buses. New training, parts, etc. were needed. In the long run money was saved by having engines that lasted longer, got better mileage and used (at that time) cheaper fuel. We don't know what the current inventory for spare parts for Gran Turk trucks is, or if what is on the shelf are compatible with the trucks being bought. What I hope was done is what is called a life cycle cost analysis which would determine the better deal. More importantly, of course, is whether Gran Turk complied with the specifications which, so far, have remained hidden. All we have so far is a lawyer's word.
Cosmo January 05, 2013 at 08:39 PM
What does the dump or blade piston have to with the brand of truck? a truck body can be installed on any truck.
Tommy January 05, 2013 at 09:27 PM
I won't dignify this nonsense.
Tommy January 05, 2013 at 09:29 PM
My last comment is at you Bertha. Obviously you have an interest beyond a tax payers interest.
Bertha January 06, 2013 at 02:47 PM
Thank you Sal for an intelligent response, Cosmo, the truck body is what is in question (if what I saw from the Council meeting is the only issus) but yes I do undesrtand that these trucks are a combo of two companies, the cab and body And Tommy please keep to your pledge and do not respond. Thank You all. .
Slippery Slope January 06, 2013 at 03:20 PM
@ clamdigger......Your empty beer cans for the week alone, would fill up one recycle can. Then throw in your empty whiskey bottles and dirty magazines and you will definitely need another can.
JDB February 25, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Also note that the Labrie bodies that Gran Turk sells are made in Canada. Detcon Bid Bridgeport bodies made in Texas USA !

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