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Barrier Island Residents Vent Frustrations Over Brick Officials' Inattention

Council meeting in Normandy Beach draws large crowd

The Brick Township Council got a little more than it bargained for when it moved the council meeting to the Normandy Beach Improvement Association.

Residents packed the community center and voiced concerns over flooding, services and a general sense of being overlooked by township officials, urging the council and business administrator Scott Pezarras to pay attention to their concerns.

"Why is it that you've not heard our voices?" asked Bart Convery, a year-round resident of 7th Avenue. Convery was one of several residents who spoke to the council regarding street flooding on the barrier island.

In Normandy Beach -- as in other areas of town -- there are streets that flood frequently, not so much due to rain but due to the bay's water level rising after a storm. In some cases the flooding leaves streets impassable.

Residents of the barrier island said they'd been complaining about the flooding for years and wanted to know if there would be a solution now.

One resident noted a group of people, including township administrative employees, had met about problem and had proposed a solution, which was put on hold the next day for a reason that was never explained, he said.

Council President John Ducey said he had just been alerted to the situation that day, but said he would ensure the entire council -- councilmen Bob Moore and Dan Toth were absent -- was brought up to speed on what was happening.

"We will address it and we will get back to you about it," Ducey said. 

Hollowman August 22, 2012 at 12:58 PM
That's honestly like buying a house on a ski resort and complaining about snow fall...
Kal August 22, 2012 at 01:01 PM
Speaking of taxes, don't you think the taxes are extremely high for the residents on the island, especially school taxes in which many don't even use? The water issue is one thing which would be so difficult for the municipality to cure but the amount of tax dollars generated for the schools they don't even use should be addressed by counsel and state before they really start some serious valid complaints.
Andy Barcellona August 22, 2012 at 01:29 PM
It also reminds you of people buying a home near the airport then complaining of jet noise. The local residents of the John Wayne Airport in Orange County, CA have an ordinance that all planes must take off at a steeper angle so the people that live near the airport will enjoy their luxury homes. Also, at LAX you take off to the west over the ocean even though you make a turn to come east . I agree, you buy a house on a peninsula and take your chances..
JD August 22, 2012 at 02:06 PM
Guess what... It's only going to get worse with the rising tides predicted over the decades to come. I'm sure the way the storm drains work is natural gravity into the bay... if the bay rises.. the storm drains back up... the only way to solve it is with pumpout stations... major expense. Didn't PPB install some sort of pumpout station where ocean ave and rte 35 meet???
Don Smith August 22, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Ok so long as they get here to collect the parking metter money its all good right? Ok I have seen many catch bassens sitting full of water and o the tide is not that high. Let's get real here. Elevation drawings will bear me out. If tested you will find catch basens plugged with sand. I challange the road department to open hydrents and test drainage with the bay at normal levels and report what percent flow and what percent are plugged with sand and are inopperable? That will cut the sewer crap. Now why can my street not have a route 35 crosswalk?
Don Smith August 22, 2012 at 03:10 PM
So now let's talk construcion. Then now have a rule on the books that says to imporove my 1938 built house I need to comply with 2011 spacing requirements. They want all houses 10 feet from the centerline of the road. Oh the 14' wide road. Did counil memders who passed this ordinance pass a 5th grade math test? Yes this was passed in the winter and nobody on my block was informed. Mark of a true caring council. All improvements now must have a varience. How can one class make othes miserable next book to be written by brick council.
John B Casson August 22, 2012 at 05:36 PM
I think that is a sanitary sewer pump station.
A Resident August 22, 2012 at 06:15 PM
No, not a sanitary sewer pump station. The purpose of the updated pump station (and the original one that was replaced) is to lower the water level of Lake of the Lillies nearby. By lowering the lake level, the street drains were to the flow into the lake, reducing the amount of water in the streets. Great concept...but not always a great result.
jim August 22, 2012 at 06:40 PM
These are the same people who would by a house in Tornado Alley, and then complain when there house gets hit by a hmmmmm tornado
Gypsy Dick Wrench August 22, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Well get "back" to you on it ........ Should have been "we are turning our backs to you on it" By the way , where is my paycheck? County state and federal offices should be voluntary no - pay jobs .....how many would eagerly seek public office Then?
nan August 22, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Before anyone posts comments buying a house on the barrier island they should do some research and find out how long ago many of the owners bought their houses, how much they paid in taxes and how the township has reassessed the houses and raised taxes so high they cannot afford to live in them. Find out the root cause of flooding. Someone suggested putting in a liner. Probably not the best answer as in the Lake Riviera dam. Judge not when you do not have any facts.
nan August 22, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Heard at Normandy Beach Council meeting - two students attend Brick Twp schools. These people pay huge taxes. Maybe they should secede from Brick Twp, unite with the area parts of the Barrier Island and become their own Township and not pay any taxes to Brick. Oh yea that would mean bye - bye Brick Beaches I, II, II. Hello Barrier Island Beaches I, II, III. Residents would then have enough parking and their taxes would be for taking care of their problems. The two children could go to private schools and save many residents money.
J.JONES August 22, 2012 at 09:44 PM
What do they want 4ft high walls along the stretch of the Island ..hummmm...
J.JONES August 22, 2012 at 09:45 PM
And while your building walls ..build one between lakewood and brick...
JD August 22, 2012 at 10:44 PM
There are more kids than that on the Barrier island.. Some already go to private or pay tuition to bayhead or ppb. A portion of Ortley beach (which is under Toms River)... suceeded to be a part of Lavallette. Quite frankly, everything north of seaside should be 1 town... Ortley, lavallette, toms river, brick... call it Lavallette. Mantoloking and Bayhead should merge as well. PPB should merge with PPboro. Its coming!!
localexpert August 22, 2012 at 10:48 PM
To bad fot those who claim Private Property and Private Streets. Clean it up without our help..
Susan August 23, 2012 at 01:56 AM
While I agree that something should be done to keep the roads passable, I'm not sure what else can be done to stop the OCEAN. What the ocean wants, the ocean takes.. and if it's the houses on the barrier island, there isn't going to be anything we can do about it!
Chief Wahoo August 23, 2012 at 03:13 AM
shut up and pay your property taxes the people on the mainland have spoken.....the hidden class warfare comments was a real eye opener.....thanks
Tom Cular August 23, 2012 at 04:06 AM
Your private beach, your private streets, seems like it's your responsibility. Keep building castles in the sand !!!!
Karen Wall August 23, 2012 at 04:23 AM
The number given was 5 students, according to my notes.
can't say who August 23, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Probably would have saved time and money for the hall set-up if they just read the minutes from the past barrier island meetings. Like, "I live in Brick with no children in school, why pay for other families.", "When it's high tide my car tires get wet." etc, etc, etc.
Martin August 24, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Public schools are paid for by the public -- everyone who pays property taxes, including commercial bdlgs. with no kids in school. That's the law. Move to Alabama if you don't want the next generation to be educated.
JD August 24, 2012 at 06:52 PM
Karen, Given by whom? Did you confirm the number with Brick Schools?
Chief Wahoo August 24, 2012 at 07:01 PM
they are not be educated properly now.......more and more money has not helped
Depmar August 24, 2012 at 08:40 PM
Law of supply and demand. Due to strict regulations new waterfront housing construction is minimal (good idea since the housing that already exists is damaging the bay). Fewer available houses means greater demand. Greater demand increases prices = higher taxes. A personal choice to live on or near the water means you will be paying more for house and, as a result, higher taxes. Whether children are in the household or not, property taxes are needed to keep the school system in good standing. People don't want to move to an area that has a poorly rated school system. A poor school system devalues your property. So, pay your taxes and realize that, along with the pleasures of of having a house on or near the water at the shore, you also have the concerns of property damage due to wind, weather, and flooding. Barrier islands are known for that.
MAJ August 31, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Sorry - I am sure it needs to be fixed - but I liken this to the people who buy a house along a major highway (like the turnpike) and then complain about car noise and force US to pay for huge walls and such. Now, I live near the lagoon(s) in Brick - and - on occasion my basement floods. More so since a neighbor put a pool in. So? Should I expect the town to fix it? No - I put am putting a sump pump in. I knew where I bought. This is the price you pay for the luxury of being close to the water. Maybe too close!
MAJ August 31, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Don't get me going about schools. No child left behind eh? Why is it the Abbot districts can get VERY OVER INDULGENT SCHOOLS while the Brick schools are falling apart? So Unfair! As for Property Taxes.. Yea.. No kids in school = no school taxes? Give me a break. It's never been that way - never will be that way. Look - we need to find ways to make good money go further. Stop wasting resources. Pooling them IS THE WAY TO GO.
MAJ August 31, 2012 at 05:22 PM
Question: Why does each school district bid for and pay for their own health insurance? And then, when the teachers retire they go on the State Health Plan? Don't they - I'm asking. Wouldn't it be cheaper to consolidate, put them on the state plan now. This means more people - many more - and then bid the state plan out for a better rate based on larger enrollment. or at least let all the school districts get insurance together - Wait - makes too much sense. We've got to get cheap people. Fast! Only way to survive.
Kal September 08, 2012 at 11:34 PM
I pay my fair share of school taxes in my primary home which are much higher than Brick....why should I have to pay again for a home only used in the summer?
Can't shut me up September 09, 2012 at 12:07 AM
I propose asking the Army Core of Engineers to build 30 foot high sea wall arround this barrier island. Then they'll be complaining that the wall is ruining their view. @Kal.....too bad!!

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