"If the analysis shows that a signal does not display a yellow light long enough to meet the formula in the legislation, that intersection will be removed from the pilot program."

Which means Brick would have to issue refunds for all fines at that intersection. Where is that money going to come from?

Guess NJDOT dropped the ball on this one.

WOOO HOOO LMAO

Nice! Another BS revenue generator shut down, I only wish it was permanently!

If these lights have been non conforming since day one, then why shouldn't people be eligible for refunds? If the timing had been set correctly, they wouldn't have gone through a red light now would they? Get ready for, well if we have to give refunds to the people, well we will have to get rid of garbage collection and you'll have to get your own and various other threats.

I knew something was up with the brick.blvd.light....I've been driving through that intersection for years and I totally noticed recently that the yellow was super fast.

If the analysis shows that a signal does not display a yellow light long enough then FIRE SCOTT PEZARRAS

what about citations issued just prior to this action (but not yet paid/processed)? If the proper timing analysis has not been done then the outstanding tickets should be dismissed. Will this be the case?

Speaking as an individual who makes their living in the field of traffic control, I can assure you that these cameras are there to do ONE thing. Generate money. If the cameras were turned off because VIDEO evidence shows that the length of the yellow clearance is incorrect then it would be easy to determine whether the controller timing is in spec simply by checking the programmable controllers database which will show you the yellow clearance right off. Very easy to do. For townships and states that actually want to PREVENT ACCIDENTS, I would suggest a device that is made which extends the green timing based on the speed of the cars approaching the intersection and how close they are to the "dilemma zone", which is the are where a motorist makes that split second decision to slow down or attempt to make the light based on their perception of how far they are from the intersection. No one wants to do that in NJ though because it is a FIX and doesn't generate $$$.

I want my refund! And my garbage collection too!

For those with technical expertise, please feel free to peruse this...
http://www.wavetronix.com/en/products/smartsensor/advance

Please excuse my typo in my first paragraph, that should have read "area" not "are".
I am personally VERY cautious at those lights to the point of slamming on my brakes because I know that all one would have to do is change yellow clearance to cause people to "run" red lights. Not saying this is being done, just understanding the technical applications of traffic control. Oh, you can also extend the red of the cross street to prevent accidents from occurring by allowing the cars to clear out of the intersection before the opposite intersection goes green. Again, just ideas on how to prevent accidents, which when you think about it, save us all money.

I hope they look into the toll booths on the pkwy next.

I don't care who controls the red light settings, if it proves that the settings were not right, then it's the towns duty to refund all fines during the time these cameras were not calibrated right. It's only fair.

They will find a loophole to not have to return past fines. They are not going to give up that money.

I drive thru the Brick intersections almost all day. The 4 second rule at 40 mph is enough to get thru begining at the stripe. If you are before the stripe, but beyond the "point of no return" (meaning there isn't enough room to stop your vehicle before the stripe, you will need more than 4 seconds to clear the intersection before the light turns red. If you are turning left from Rt 70 onto Brick Blvd, you are driving at a slower speed to turn (unless you want to look like a maniac taking the turn at 40 mph), so you will not have enough time to clear the intersection after passing the stripe within the 4 seconds allotted.

This is a mess .Just to night I got blinded by a light flash when I was turning on green near Outback. I drive thru 2 of them every night just to get home.I hate them .

I GOT A WARNING NOTIFICATION WHEN THE RED LIGHT PHOTO ENFORCED STARTED. I WAS SHOCKED. I HAD A GREEN LIGHT WHEN I APPROACHED THE LIGHT ON RT. 70. IT WAS GREEN, YELLOW, RED. ABOUT 2 SECONDS OF YELLOW. I TOLD MY HUSBAND AND HE SAID THE PHOTO SHOWS YOU WENT THROUGH A RED LIGHT. I TOLD HIM THE YELLOW LIGHT WAS NOT LONG ENOUGH. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF REARENDERS AT THAT LIGHT BECAUSE IT IS A CURVE WHEN APPROACHING THAT LIGHT. THEY NEED A COUNT DOWN SIGNAL AT THAT LIGHT ALSO. PEOPLE WALK AND CROSS THAT RT. 70.

http://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/resources/techsum/fhwasa09008/

the light on brick blvd going north at the merge of rt 70 has NEVER been set to DOT standards. it was 2.8 seconds and a constant revenue generator for the town. it was an easy ticket for the officer waiting at circle dodge.this entire scam system stinks, officer writes a ticket and then tells you to fight it in court, where he gets overtime for showing up. what do you get even if you beat the ticket? you lose a days pay or a vacation day to be there. maybe if the town had to compensate you for your time and the officer lost his court ot there would be a few less questionable tickets being issued.

I have no problem with red light cameras. I guess if you obey the law, you wont get a ticket in the mail with the video showing you didnt obey the traffic rules you learned. Every traffic signal timing in the state is set by the DOT. How many of you have pulled off the road and timed the yellow light you tryed to beat to see if is set right.

You can be trying to obey the law and still get caught in what the FHWA calls the "dilemma zone". I personally do not know anyone who attempts to blow red lights and risk massive liability to themselves and others, I do however know people get caught at that moment of "do I go or do I slam on the brakes". There are technological ways around it other than what is being done. Has anyone who read this, read any of the articles I have posted? You also can't "time the yellow" by your watch, it is set in the controller in the cabinet. Usually on the LCD display you can easily get to the screen which shows your yellow clearance. If you want to get rid of these money generators, press the DOT to install dilemma zone detection.

I want ny money back!!!!!!!!!!

The other day a truck went right thru a red light on Brick Blvd. He was right infront of me, so they do go thru red lights and don't care. This was before they put a halt on the lights.

The latest camera at Brick blvd and Route 70 is going to cause accidents. There are no do not walk signs to warn you light is going to change. There is no warning telling you the light is going to change. They should install the flashing do not walk signs.

The truck is actually a perfect condition of not being able to stop in time for a yellow clearance condition. The truck has more mass than a small car and therefore is not able to stop in time so the driver in the dilemma zone decides to try and make it. The devices I speak of compensate for that. Yes, some people do speed, almost no one does the exact posted speed limit. The concern is to prevent accidents at the least cost with the most effectiveness. Dilemma zone detection does that. You can also slam on the brakes without speeding. Still wondering if anyone has read the article from the FHWA who sets guidelines on red timing, yelllow clearance, etc.

You could be doing the exact speed limit, be in the dilemma zone and slam on the brakes due to the inability to know and or judge how much yellow clearance the jurisdiction gives to that particular signal. Again the desire is to prevent accidents, not make money, issue citations, etc. The general safety of the traveling public is the most important aspect of all traffic control.

This is what NJDOT should be doing at trouble intersections.
FTA:

Potential Benefits

The Advanced Dilemma-Zone Detection system has several benefits relative to traditional multiple detector systems, which have upstream detection for vehicles in the dilemma zone but do not take the speed or size of individual vehicles into account. These benefits include:

Reducing the frequency of red-light violations;
Reducing the frequency of crashes associated with the traffic signal phase change (for example, rear-end and angle crashes);
Reducing delay and stop frequency on the major road; and
Maintaining or reducing overall intersection delay.
Agency Experience

An Advanced Dilemma-Zone Detection system was developed for the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) to minimize both delay and crash frequency at rural intersections.
This system was implemented as part of a study conducted by TxDOT at several intersections using commercially-available equipment in Texas. The evaluation of safety and operational benefits found that the system:
Reduced delay by 14 percent;
Reduced stop frequency by 9 percent;
Reduced red-light violations by 58 percent;
Reduced heavy-vehicle red-light violations by 80 percent; and
Reduced severe-crash frequency by 39 percent.

The person who witnessed the truck run the red light may be interested in this:

"Reduced heavy-vehicle red-light violations by 80 percent"

I'd like to say that I am in no way trying to put anyone down, but simply pointing out that there are much cheaper and better ways to prevent accidents at potential problem red light intersections.

Wheres my $85 back???

if they changed the yellow to 10 sec there would still be alot of you that still blow the light and will complain that it was too short. If you read the article it did not specify Brick as a place that the lights where it has a shortend yellow only. Also if you read how they calculate the formula for the length my question is: if that is good enough for red light camera intersection why not for ALL intersections?

It will take me 0.4 seconds to push the button come election time...

The truck that went thru the red light was stopped infront of me. The light had already changed to red, he could have easily stopped as I did. The traffic was lined up at the light to make a left onto Hooper Ave. The amber light had already changed to red when we approached to turn. He just didn't want to wait for another light. Lucky he didn't cause and accident.

So the truck stopped, the light turned red, then he blew the light anyhow? There must have been no traffic on the side street. Of course there's no taking into account that sort of action but for the majority of the people who are just trying to make it through the intersection properly there is better technology than cameras. I think the point I am trying to make is that instead of getting worked up about cameras and complaining, it may be better to approach those putting in the cameras and saying, "hey there is something better out there that doesn't affect the average motorist who is just trying to drive safely."

“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

- Ben Franklin

Joseph,
We can race, but if you encounter a yellow light remember slam on the brakes...

If we surround the town with these cams the moat will be complete around the kingdom.

Remember when the cops actually earned their money enforcing traffic laws?

Someone should organize a petition to have a referendum on Nov's Ballot for Brick to let the public vote on whether or not to have the Red Light Camera's removed.

I would hope more then one company will do the certification of the lights in the 21 towns. If not the question of the certification being corrupt will loom. In my opinion those ticketed where it is proven the lights were not set correctly should be refunded for the tickets they received. If not a class action lawsuit should be filed.

It would probably cost you more than $85.00 and time off of work.

The suit would be against NJ Dot. Good luck,

Yeah well lawyer's will jump all over a class action against the DOT. They go where they can get big money for themselves. Let us see if the DOT has any integrity, if a legit finding shows the timing of the yellow lights is not correct. lets see what the DOT does.

Judy, Brick. I want my money back too. Yellow arrows at Brick Blvd. and Chambersbridge change to fast on turn onto Hooper Ave. A waste of my tax dollors.