Without so much as a last call, the party looks like it might be over – at least for now – at one of Brick's most popular summer hot spots.
F-Cove, made up of two undeveloped man-made lagoons off Barnegat Bay in the shape of the letter 'F,' has been a gathering place for party-minded boaters for decades. It's located just north of the Mantoloking Bridge, west of the ICW channel.
But an effort by the federal government to curtail recreational use of the area appears to be heating up again.
The latest salvo: a number of signs posted at the site which warn boaters that the area is closed beyond the signage.
The explanation: "It is a national wildlife refuge," Virginia Rettig, manager of the Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge, told Brick Patch. "Any activity that we permit there has to be tied to the needs and requirements of wildlife before they can be tied to what we need to do to recreate."
The area known as F-Cove, once slated to be a residential lagoon community, is owned by the refuge. Rettig explained that only certain types of recreational activities are normally permitted in federal wildlife refuges, and officials must have time to sort out what type of access, if any, should be permitted at F-Cove.
"It's very difficult," Rettig said, referring to limiting public access after a long history of access being available. "I acknowledge that."
Though the site has been part of the refuge for about 20 years, there has never been any clear demarcation of what activities were permitted. There was also a question as to what entity was responsible for the actual waterways in between the refuge lands.
"We now know that it's definitely the Fish and Wildlife service," said Rettig.
The first rumblings about closing F-Cove to recreational boaters came in 2009, when the Fish and Wildlife Service floated a plan to anchor bollards to the bay floor that would physically prevent boats from accessing the site. Federal officials also favored partially filling in the lagoons.
There was an immediate backlash from township officials at the time, as well as environmental group Save Barnegat Bay, which argued access should be maintained.
"To deny thousands of people in the state of New Jersey this simple enjoyment ... for the sake of recreating a few acres of habitat is to lose sight of the very purpose of government, which was originally to benefit people," was a quote included in an organization newsletter at the time.
A call to Save Barnegat Bay President Willie deCamp about the new signs at the site was not immediately returned.
Since the issue flared up in 2009, the federal government had appeared to have backed off.
No final decisions have been made regarding public access to the site this time around, Rettig said. The signs simply mark the refuge boundaries. There has been no determination made as to how the access ban will be enforced, she said.
Other parts of the Forsythe refuge are open to the public, however, including the Holgate portion at the southern tip of Long Beach Island. There, four wheel drive vehicles are free to access the beach.
"We have to decide if it's necessary" to provide public access, Rettig said. "It's a lot to consider."
Ken
6:56 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I could never really figure out what lured people there in the summer in the first place.
Too Hot
Water dirty
Too crowed
Too much noise
Not a bad place in the spring or fall when your trying to get out of the wind and stay warm in the sun. In the summer on some days it looked like one of those "spring break" films
Resident
9:52 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
It's a nice safe out of the way place for like minded boat owners to gather and enjoy the weather and comradery of friends and blow off some steam from the work week. Does it get out of control sometimes, sure it does, but that is what the marine police are for, its a controlled/contained enviroment. This has been a tradition for decades, the ones that want this shut down have simply forgot what it was like to actually enjoy life and use "save the wildlife" as an excuse. For me, Traders Cove is far more a nightmare for the Township of Brick then a couple dozen boaters in the F cove. Traders Cove will create even more of a traffic/safety nightmare on Mantaloking Rd during the summer bringing in out of town residents that will use the park and dockage for their boats. Now they will have to drive thru town after a day of partying on the water. Do you honestly think closing the F Cove will stop the gathering of boats on the bay? They will simply now be forced out into the open water in the paths and sights of the public. But what the hell, the ducks will be safe now that the F cove will be closed.
Mike Maino
10:04 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
I'm over F Cove many times (see aerial photo) during our sunset patrols. I have only been aware of this place for 2 years. We see no problem here. Looks like family fun to me.
Like Tices shoal to your south. No trash, no fuel sheen, all good.
I don't have a dog in this hunt.
The bay is a treasure that all should enjoyed.
Believe me, if it gets nasty the "good guys" will make it all better. Go have fun...
Phil McCrakin PST
2:00 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Ken, its obvoiusly not a place for you then, but this place was a great time. If everyone would pick up their garbage before they left there would be no problem.
Phil McCrakin PST
2:08 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
might i add the ducks and wild life were all well fed by the great patrons of the Fcove! Hidden cove is going to be the place this year. Hey maybe they will close that too and next year tices shoal. Its all about the town trying to make extra money, enticing people to enter the cove anyway so they can get ticketed or charged with tresspasing. As if brick residents dont pay enough for living there.
Phil McCrakin PST
2:48 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Dont worry everyone.......If i see a sign I will tie it to my wake tower and rip it out of there. LOL. If I dont do it someone else sure will Imo.
njguy
5:58 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I don't know maybe the fact I can go there with my kids still watch them. Make sure they don't drink to much. Not spend a thousand dollars on fuel. Have a beer cook a burger and be a normal american. For starters
njguy
6:40 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Your right lets go to TICES and make it miserable for the families enjoying there summer. Scare the kids and make their life miserable.....Sounds Fun Right... Thats pretty much Whats going to happen. .... You know what the biggest joke is. On any weekend You have more off duty cops hanging out there than working at any one town in nJ
Rob Malanky
2:24 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
For all the people who'd like to keep the F Cove open to the residents, please help us grow this movement on Facebook -
http://www.facebook.com/FightClosingFCove
JB
7:39 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
A majority of the people that go there do so to drink, and use the water as their toilet. There is drug use and wild behavior at the site. Closing the site will take away one of the largest drink tanks which does prevent accidents on the water. The refuge is a parking lot, and its not being used for any good.
JB
7:40 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Close it. The wild life will put it to better use.
Jill Ryan
12:34 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
LIKE!
The real JB
8:39 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
The real problem came about when MTV decided to make a mockery of the jersey shore, for years we were able to hang out peacefully and my boats have always taken care of our garbage. When these bennys started coming down in droves filling our air with their foul stench of bad colone and their lousy attitudes no wonder the cops started taking people out by the boat load for fighting. I remember going there when we were younger to jump off the biggest boat tower and to catch a glimpse of titties. There's always been talks of taking it away but if they do we're just gonna have to go somewhere else, middle of the bay sound good? Look for the lobster boat with the band playing on it this summer.
njguy
6:28 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Ya the wild life. How about the 15+ dolphins that were in the shrewsberry. That all died and we got fined for feeding them. JOKE
njguy
8:21 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Your right close it and put up more wind generators that kill more birds than I can with a twelve guage and a bird feeder.
njguy
8:25 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
ya the wildlife. Same people that are trying to close this are the same people putting up wind generators. Which kill mre birds than anyone of us could
lisad
7:56 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I really can't believe this. more government taking away from the people. this really stinks and i only go in there a few times a summer. next they are going to take the water ways away. This state SUCKS. I think we should all ignore the warnings and go in anyway....Occupy F Cove....he,he,he,he
Smitty
9:51 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
You are right......In my day they took the monkey Den away.....Then they took the Hidaway...a simular place to pull your boat up and have a good time.....next it was you couldn't ride your dirt bikes in the woods.......I finally had enough and took my family out of that Police town..................The south is the place to live and let Live....It's easy....come on down,but leave any North Ideas there for all the ones destroying it..................Smitty
Phil McCrakin PST
2:13 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
I wonder how long the sign actually stays up without magically disappearing?
Lo
9:44 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
I've lived by F cove my whole life. There self contained and bother no one.
To old to go there anymore, but I totally agree with Lisa, what else will the government take away from us. We need to stop all these crazy government people running the epa, use your power people you have the power to vote these idiots out of office!
lisad
7:58 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
JB, people ARE pigs and it used to sicken me to watch kids tossing their beer cans or just leaving them when their boats pulled away...I live on the other side of the refuge, it is across the street from my house and last year they had some numbskull posting those little signs every 100 feet to "keep out". they can go to hell, "keep out of the woods"...i don't know what has gotten into this country, i really don't.
FRED
4:04 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
LISA, WHAT A SAD PERSON YOU MUST BE TO CALL EVERYONE PIGS---YOU MUST HAVE SOME LOUSY LIFE WIYH NOT AN OUNCE OF JOY IN IT
njguy
6:17 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Lisa I hear you some people might leave trash. But to be honest there is a pump boat that comes around and pumps out the toilets of the boats for FREE and he is WELL tipped. He also takes the garbage. In reality I will be one of the 50 boats anchored with as many boats there. They tried this same thing in North Carolina and it worked out great. More garbage showed up. Cause people will then sink the garbage. If you think you are getting rid of the boaters your joking. F cove been there before your house. Why not get a house next to philly airport and then complain about the planes.
Beach_N8iv
8:29 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Put a toll booth at the entrance, it's the state's answer to EVERYTHING!
lisad
7:44 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
@njguy, where did i say they should close F Cove?? I go there myself. geez, read before you type. To be honest, its not the garbage that is causing Forsythe to shut down FC. Seems like Its the dunks and "liablity" under the guise of saving the wildlife....
lisad
8:51 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
lol, ya know, we have more ducks, red winged black birds, eagles, osprey's, freaking canadian geese then ever before...obviously F cove isn't damaging anything...I do agree that it is a haven for drunks, i get that, people are pigs, i get that too, but do they have to ruin it for everyone??
njguy
6:20 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Cool more targets. Still cant tell which bird is what
njguy
8:32 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Lisa one your a moron. Two you can't have it both ways. Three it has nothing to do with people being pigs. It is some BS over sight right wing Obomma loving appointed person working for the federal goverment. So this vote them out of office is horse 5hit. Has anyone even started a petion or got intouch with an attorney? Chances are no. So I plan on not slipping my boats in Brick this year and I'm sure there willbe more to follow.
BytheC42
9:06 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Point the way. Sounds like a fun day at the Jersey shore. Tee hee!
Jerry Belle
9:08 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Ruin it for everyone? I don't think so. Take it away from the so-called PIGS as you say - yes, they certainly should and if it affects a few innocent boat owners that failed to report the abuses to our waterways and refuge areas then too bad.
njguy
8:35 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Jerry I agree with you. But it has nothing with people pollutiung the water. Or leaving garbage that just all came from Lisa and JB's posts. For the most part people for the most part clean up after themnselves.
lisad
9:10 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Get of your high horse Jerry, you sound like a bitter old man.
Jerry Belle
10:09 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Sorry Lisa, but after reading your inane posts (i.e "I do agree that it is a haven for drunks...", "it used to sicken me to watch kids tossing their beer cans...", "I think we should all ignore the warnings and go in anyway...", etc..etc...) you sound like a true representative of Brick'tucky and you should go occupy another town...
Mare
4:05 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Ironically Jerry, I am a proud piney from "Bricktucky!" Are you a "New Yawka?" Caus you sound like yaw from New Yawk. Juss Sayin.
Lisa, I agree, there will always be a few who ruin it for the many and most of those few are bitter, no longer able to go out boating and frankly jealous of those of us who still find ways to enjoy life.
Jerry Belle
9:13 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Surprised no one else has said it - F F-Cove.
Phil McCrakin PST
2:24 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Well then F-Jerry Belle for being a lonely ass hater that has never been there. He probobly doesnt even own a boat. I dont understand why people are all opposed to having a good time. I have an idea brick should hire a few more marine police to patrol the fcove on the weekends and summons anyone that is caught littering or leaving trash behind. Hell, even the police had a good time cruising thru looking at all the fine landscape;)
njguy
8:40 pm on Saturday, April 14, 2012
This has not a *&%^ing thing to do with drunks or garbage you are so blind you can't even see why there trying to close it. All your doing is making their arguement for them. It has to do with wildlife, which is complete BS. But all your doing is instead of trying to fight this BS is fighting with each other over this BS.
GaryR
9:35 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Yeah JB...let's not let people have fun in the sun and party out of harms way in that crazy, overcrowded Bay during the weekends.....how dare they!
To each their own. I've lived down here for quite some time and support Wildlife Conservation vehemently...but lets face it, the birds won't miss this small parcel of land and they should be drawn to a more secluded area to feed , nest, and breed anyway.
At times the Conservationists are too much...if left to them, human beings will soon an endangered species. We can't turn back the hands of Progress and urban sprawl...but we can ensure the safety of all wildlife with a level headed approach without penalizing us taxpayers and making us feel like criminals.
The real JB
8:42 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
We have freaking bald eagles... Wildlife seems to be doing fairly good if u ask me
tuna stick
9:39 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I never go near the place during the season. After the summer season is over, my wife and I will get some take-out dinner, and head head over to F-cove. On a weekday in Septmeber, ther's hardly anyone there after 6 pm. It's a nice quiet place to enjoy. Very quiet, and peaceful. We never leave anything behind, and for the most part, don't even get out of the boat.
As usual, a few no-goodniks have ruined for everyone. But living in New Jersey my entire life, you get used to the routine. Nice, quiet place at first. Word gets out, and it becomes a gatering place for the masses. It's a shame that people destroy the nice things in life. But heh...welcome to New Jersey.
joe zaprzalka
10:48 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Amen tuna stick.... could not have said it any better, thats what happened here in Bricktown...20 years ago if someone said we would have gang problems, tax problems etc etc etc you would think that couldnt happen here..... but...
njguy
6:22 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
No its more like a bunch of state employees making waves to justify their jobs
Xavier
10:01 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Blame it on the people that ruined it. If people would have respected the land and not polluted the crap out of it they'd probably allow people to still use it. The only reason it didn't look worse was because of the tides sweeping all the garbage out into the bay.
Jerry Belle
10:12 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Thanks Chris, that's the point I tried to make, but people like Lisa just don't get. The garbage floats out into the Bay and affects ALL of us, not just the few thousand that visit and pollute F-Cove. It's not just those that polluted that caused the stance to prevent access, it's those that stood by (The Lisa types) and ignored the problem and permitted it to continue...
Phil McCrakin PST
2:31 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
TIDES???????????? The boats going in and out are the only reason why the cove isnt stagnent. There is no tide so try and make up a better excuse.
bayboat
10:27 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
As usual, a few bad eggs ruin it for the rest.
And the holier than thou types have something to be holier than thou about :)
Lo
9:58 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Hopefully now maybe everyone will police each other to clean up after themselves.
If everyone picks up after themselves maybe these epa nuts will back off.... But let's vote them out, too many regulations, next instead of taking away your hang out on the water they will be taking your land you live on....
Anthony
10:50 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I've never seen so many miserable curmudgeons in my life. God, your lives must suck.
Anthony
10:52 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I hope the government comes and shuts down your bridge club because all the hot air pouring from your heads is killing trees
Phil McCrakin PST
2:32 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
like
Lo
9:58 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
lol
Jim
11:00 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I dont go to F-Cove but this is a classic example of tyranny.
Lo
9:59 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Totally agree Jim, we need to stand up to this!
BRICKRAW
11:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
My name Pat. I have been born and raised in Brick and have lived on the water my whole life. I am an avid watermen who fishes, sails, surfs and I do just about everything to enjoy being on/around the water (most of my friends do as well). I too frequent F-Cove. Here is my take on it...
Does F-Cove get crazy. YES!! Do the locals trash the place... rarely. We keep a close eye out for people who might ruin a good thing for us. We have made quite a few out of towners (Benny's) eat a beer can or two for throwing trash in the water. We do the best we can to clean up and pick up before we leave. I have been there on some of the craziest days and have been very happy to see a core group of people chip in to keep it clean. Every once in a while you get some a-hole who will toss a buch of garbage over the side and take off. But that is also the same guys who is going to pollute anywhere his pathetic life takes him. As far as a family palce to go for peace and quiet... its is not. Get over it... go to Tices!
Buster Hymen
4:48 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Uh oh, Pats tough on Bennys. Wait until he picks on someone under 70. It will be the Stump Jumper eating the beer can.
Lo
10:00 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
ditto
BRICKRAW
11:04 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Just because there is beerpong and loud music does not make it a bad place. I had some of my best summer memories in that place and I will never forget it. Its sad because I know first hand that the party will not end and we are already making plans where to go for Memorial Day weekend. All this will do is relocate the party. As usual we will keep it clean and do our best to regulate other peoples stupidity... I guess all you can do is hope its not at your favorite hangout. Treasure Island, Tices, Silver Bay Etc. Your all on the list.
pete
5:35 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
How about in Scow ditch? The Bay Headers will love that! Let them be...don't make them move into your area, and then start to complain about them. The F cove is a great place to control, and keep them off the open warter, and towns people are not effected.
Phil McCrakin PST
2:38 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Hidden Cove
Jay Waterside
12:17 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I've been fishing at the F-Cove and providing excellent nutrition for my family for years. I've got two strong armed boys growing up just fine, yes ok Jim can't talk much and Bobby never had a right eye but everything else is fine. You take away the F-Cove you take away my children's right to good eatin! These kids partying ain't harming one bit a no one, an you know it! F-Cove is the one bit of exotic island I'll ever see living here in Waterside, if you take away that, you take away my freedom - Jay Waterside
Jean Geronimo
12:37 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
My biggest concern about FC is who's at the helm of that vessel upon departure after a day of partying? Is there a designated driver? I hope so. Most of the partiers in FC are young and probably aren't using the best judgement. I sure hope it's not me (or anyone) they collide with as they run out of there at dusk!
Buster Hymen
4:49 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Thanks for sharing your biggest concern; you.
Kate
12:38 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Sounds to me like this had always been a nature preserve, making partying there a privilege, not a right. So, the place became too infamous and tourists abused the privilege causing wildlife services, who it seems always had the last say, to revoke the privilege. They're a group meant to serve the best interest of, ready for it?... wildlife. It could be said that they were being considerate to let this go on for as long as they did. So waaah, you have to find somewhere new to party so that animals can have a scrap of quiet habitat. News flash, human beings aren't the only living things on this planet.
Jill Ryan
12:48 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
well said!
Resident
1:41 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Kate, the whole site was dredged for waterfront homes a long time ago. If I am correct the site was taken over when the developer ceased developing it. Naming it a nature preserve has prevented its sale for development. You don't see traders cove being saved for the ducks do you? No, because the govt can get a revenue for boat slips, funny the hypocracy when the govt is the one getting its beak wet.....
Kate
3:54 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
@resident: I agree. The govt would have torn the place to bits if it served it's interest.. it happens all of the time. What I was basically saying is that it was ultimately left to wildlife services when developers ceased on it. It doesn't matter the reason, that's what happened. The group in charge of the preserve allowed boaters to use the area for recreational purposes until that privilege was abused, so they revoked it. Well within their rights. Maybe instead of acting like it's some great injustice we should be thankful that this group was kind enough to allow group outings there for as long as they did, and direct anger toward the people who ruined it for everyone else.
Joseph Woolston Brick
12:38 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
It's amazing if it isn't some rich A-hole buying a piece of water front property resulting in Brick residents not being able to use it ever again, it's the government. It's a sad day to realize the only "real" Jersey Shore left, is that stupid TV show! At least their having fun around here!
lisad
7:59 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
huh?
Joseph Woolston Brick
10:50 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Sarcasm Lisa, live it love it. I would bet you if there was a way they could charge for F-Cove it would be wildlife be damned, come on in!
Resident
1:36 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
It amazes me just how "grumpy" some of these posters are. I bet the very ones being so negative were once the earlier enjoyers of the F Cove and now have no need for it so they jump on the shut it down bandwagon.
lisad
2:15 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
my guess is some of em can't afford their boats anymore and are just disgrunted idiots. There are other ways they could have left F Cove for the boaters to enjoy. They could have policed it a little better, put out trash cans...last year i was heading in to show some friends the place and there were 8 police boats hanging at the mouth, i figured they were shooting Jersey Shore or something, they weren't. Guess the cops were just enjoying the rays....
lisad
1:36 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
oh for god sakes Jill, no animal wanted to see human beings take up all their habitats. but we did. As ive said before, Eagles are back, osprey's are back, even the canadian geese won't leave. there are plenty of marsh lands they can use through out barnegat bay where boaters can't get to...the entire portion of the Refuge just south of F cove...unless you have a kayak you can't get back there...oh wait, hunters can, thats right, can't people go back there in the "wildlife reserve" and kill ducks....some reserve....
Jill Ryan
2:03 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I choose to not get in a battle of whit with an unarmed person. So I'll leave at at this, as I said before, its refuge, not a bar.
BN
4:13 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Battle of "whit"? Are you an Abbot grad?
green
4:01 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
There always were signs on the beaches in F-Cove that stated the area was off-limits and was a Wildlife Refuge. The signs had been missing for the last summer or two, but a lot of the posts were still there. How is this anything new? It sounds like they just put them back.
Duke
4:04 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I love f cove. What wildlife are they concerned about? Whoever decided this should be closed clearly has no life and just hates everyone and everything.
rd
4:09 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
fishing and crabbing sucks in the bay because of the weekend warriors. lets give the bay back to the people who use it for the right reasons. there are plenty of places to party, the bay is not one of them. too many kids surrounded by aholes.
Kate
4:09 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
@Lisa
The point of the matter is that people acted without common courtesy, so the group that had rights to the land decided to put their foot down. Could they have put out garbage cans, or had the area policed? Probably. But why should they have to? If some people weren't acting in an undignified manner it wouldn't be an issue. Point your finger at those people who ruined it if you're angry that you'll have to look for somewhere else to dock your boat this summer.
Additionally, your comment about hunters is silly. Any hunter going back there to kill ducks is breaking the law. This is the case for any refuge. Implying that hunters illegally hunting in an area disqualifies it as an animal refuge isn't very bright
. Also, saying that caring about the rights of an environmental group makes me a disgruntled idiot who can't afford a boat is insulting. I am environmentally conscientious. I compost my kitchen scraps, drive a hybrid, and grow organic vegetables. I do not do this because I am a disgruntled idiot. I do this because I care about the impact I have on the environment and understand that consequences come with the carbon footprint I leave. I don't think that makes me an idiot, I think it makes me pretty smart.
lisad
7:52 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Kate kudos to you for trying to make an impact, I get that, i truly do. Believe me when i say i have actually brought out trash bags and cleaned up in there myself and have called people out who i saw trashing. In fact last year, i was in the small cove nearby and another boater walked into the woods with all his beer bottles and cans and came out with none, I hounded him til he went back in there and brought them back to his boat. His reason, He didn't want to get busted by police with a bunch of beer cans on his boat.
I didn't call you an idiot for that. I called the people who think F Cove should be closed, IDIOTS. and i guess if you feel that way you happen to be one of those people. Let it be policed....I see cops go in there and tool around, but i never see them do anything in there but they sure will stop you for making a teeny wake a mile away from the Mantoloking Bridge.
The overly zelous environmentalists never want to have a middle ground, its always their way or no way and life doesn't work like that. There are so many other areas in Forsythe that motor boats can not bother, F Cove is one tiny little area and the impact in that little area is not going to overly effect the well being of the rest of the bay. Go after the real issues, like maybe finding out what is causing the jelly fish..now that would make you a super star...
god
8:16 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
For let's be honest : You rule and when the time comes, I welcome you to sit on my throne! lmfao
Kate
5:23 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
wow, that was awfully RUDE. I don't care if I make a huge difference. I just don't want to be one of the people contributing to the problem. If more people had a similar attitude it wouldn't BE such a problem anymore, and that's the idea. When I'm gone I'll go knowing that I left as little in landfills as I could, and consumed as few fossil fuels as possible. Maybe it isn't a whole lot, but at least I live in a way that shows people I stand up for what's good and right, and think about things other than myself.. You know, as opposed to standing by the continued pollution of a nature preserve because I'm so short sighted that I'm okay with my drunken good times coming at the cost of the eco system that balances the world in which I live.
Also, since it was such a prominent part of your rant, I never said a word about who my "phony heroes" are. But you seem to have made up your mind about who I am. Since I'm not going to change your mind I'll just quietly enjoy the fact that you go around with that attitude, displaying your ignorance proudly, and that other educated individuals like myself are getting a chuckle at your expense.
Jim
6:04 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I concur with the above poster. If you are stupid enough to believe in man made global warming then you are screwed with what this country has coming. This is not a time to be naive. Why do you think Al Gore had his carbon trading market in Chicago shut down? Its because it was a fraud.
lisad
7:56 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
i really don't feel like sticking up for you because you do sound a tad pompous, however you are not an idiot for trying to do your part, just leave f cove alone.
Anthony
5:30 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Everyone complaining about the trash probably hasnt gone back there and picked up one sliver of garbage. I know, youre thinking "I shouldnt have to", yeah well you dont have to complain either, but here you are. The people who KNEW they were littering back there and did nothing about it are just as bad as those that littered. The people who KNEW there was drinking and boating going on back there and called noone are just as bad as those that boated drunk. The people who KNEW drug use was happening back there, that people were using it as a toilet, or any other reason you can come up with to support the relentless assault on fun, and did or said nothing, are just as bad as those who did it. Now, if I were to ask my friends who frequented that place in the summer how many times they saw people yelling at the boaters about the trash, or calling the police about a problem, Im pretty positive the answer is a big fat goose-egg. Hypocrites, the lot of you. If youre not part of the solution, youre part of the problem.
Kate
5:46 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
The old "if you knew it was happening and didn't stop it you're just as bad as the people doing it" is just absurd. So now I can leave beer cans all over a habitat because "if someone else doesn't like it THEY can take responsibility for cleaning it up"??! You're allowing people to pass responsibility for their inappropriate actions off on others. There are groups all over who do go and clean up places like that, but there aren't enough volunteers to pick up after every inconsiderate drunkard that sees no harm in leaving their empties all over the place. If the best way is to shut it down, then shut it down. The group who has RIGHTS over the preserve is being perfectly reasonable by revoking the courtesy they've extended to others. Especially when that courtesy was so incredibly abused.
Jose
7:01 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Granted, the water can get a bit dirty but virtually everyone cleans up after themselves everytime I've been there. It seems that people who hate the place and want it closed don't go there, so what's the problem? Anyway, what is the verdict? Is it open or closed?
Jose
7:02 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I also heard the Brick council voted to close it. That must be false as they would have no jurisdiction if it is Federal land, right?
Daniel Nee
7:34 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
That would be completely false, Jose. The township council had absolutely nothing to do with this in any way, shape or form. It's totally the domain of the federal government.
Jim
8:39 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Its your land. Your an American dammit. Start acting like it.
Anthony
10:23 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
The whole "bunch of drunkards leaving their empties everywhere" is extremely exaggerated and baseless. Just like the whole "everybody gets liquored up and drives" argument. Assuming people are generally wreckless slobs that drive their boats around Barnegat Bay wasted while throwing their trash overboard is ignorant, with ZERO evidence to back it up. I'm looking at pictures on Facebook right now and I don't see ONE piece of trash or empty beer can floating around. I see people swimming and enjoying themselves in the "cesspool" and get this: none of my friends in these photos came down with any sort of disease! Amazing! Anymore baseless accusations people want to throw around? Where's the guy that says Forge Pond is a haven for gay sex on rainy days?
lisad
9:27 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
um, i am a boater, have been for many years, and yes people DO leave their garbage, no not the majority, but those that do after a day of partying leave enough for a bunch of boats. last year a bunch of what looked like "jersey shore" types had a beer pong table in the water, probably on daddy's boat, and as they pulled away many of their beer cans floated behind them in their wake.
Jax
10:28 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I agree with the fact that other people ruin it for everybody. I have been a frequent of f-cove for over a decade now and have slowly watched it become over run by disrespectful people who don't appreciate it for what its worth.
I have had many a conversation with people who have been hanging there for more than 20 years. And the f-cove that they speak of used to be filled with nature loving boaters. I mean isn't that what boating is all about? Enjoying the beauty of the water and the nature of it?
I know there are many who love to beach in there, kick their feet back and pop open an ice cold beer and just relax! Unfortunately, there are others who abuse this privelege and the land. They come in and blast their music instead of respecting others and what others want to hear. They come in and tie 5 boats together and make it a HAZARD to manuever through there. They are trashy, vulgar, and litter everywhere. So yes, I get why they want to shut it down. But there are people like myself and many others who just want to enjoy the place while still respecting others, the land, and wildlife there.
Its unfortunate that a place as beautiful, tranquil and serene as f-cove can be, cannot be regulated in some way. All in all, I am saddened that litterbugs, punks, bennies and guidos had to ruin it for the locals that care about this place sooooo much!
lisad
7:39 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Jax, I agree with pretty much everything you said. to be honest, i only go in there weekdays if i want to go in and hang and weekends just to show friends what F Cove Is....lol. and yes, the Guido's, guido wannabe's and gold chain crowd have ruined it for all. I just don't know why they can't police it just a little....lord knows last year there were 8 police boats hanging around in the bay near the opening probably harrassing people to see if they have an oar on board rather than going after some who were over doing it in the cove.
Kate
3:07 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
@honeybadger you're terribly rude. If the way that I choose to discuss issues sound like I'm "on a debate team" it might be because I like to have productive conversations based on facts. I tend to think people who sling insults to get their point across (ahem) sound unintelligent. I don't know what lead you to assume that I'm "with Peta". Did I mention Peta or animal rights specifically at any point? No, I voiced concern about our eco system and protecting it. That doesn't have very much to do with Peta. Did you hear the name "Peta" one time and decide to assume that everyone who's passionate about things other than themselves must be affiliated with them? Talk about having no clue what you're talking about. People in glass houses...
bennie123
7:42 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I visited FC many times during the past 10 years. Its a really great place that became extremely popular in the days after Katrina when gas prices soared. Its an obvious choice for boaters who don't want to burn fuel. Unfortunately, I saw ARRESTS last year in FC, which likely portends that the place is getting out of control. Probably best to close it for the liability to Brick-tucky alone.
T
8:44 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I've been going to F-Cove every Sunday of every summer since I can remember. I grew up around it so I totally disagree with closing it. There are many people that do come and don't respect the cove. But there are the few like me and my friends who get wild and have a good time, but always clean up after ourselves. I've even walked the shore line on a slow day there and just picked up garbage. Lack of respect for something good is what is it. State and Brick Police do their job and that's all. But you get assholes like none locals who screw it up!
bths06
3:32 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
That is what happens many ruin it for the few that actually respect something.
JAW
9:24 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Really stinks! Been the happening place to hang for years and yes it can get skanky but that's your oh ice to be there and go in the water. As for out of control for sure many times but that should have been controlled through the years better. If it had more of a reputation of a fun place but be smart and watch yourself I think some peeps might think twice about being so messed up and cursing and dumping on the place. It does suck that the the fun places to hang and party are being taken away because of scumbags!
bill hnatt
10:38 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
lets all anchor infront of bayhead yacht club , mantoloking yacht club or willie decamp house in mantoloking
Jim
3:33 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
LMAO! Now that would be funny!
tuna stick
12:07 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
I'm in for that. Let's set up a date. If Willie has about 100 or so boats in his backyard for the day, maybe he'd see things the way the REST of us see them. I get the impression from Mr. DeCamp that his viewpoint has nothing to do with the life of the Barnegat Bay, and everythihg to do with his "view". Period.
Karen
11:55 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
While I agree that it's silly to close F Cove because the site really isn't having a huge impact on the wildlife, there's one thing all of you defending it as a party zone are overlooking: It is illegal to operate a boat after you've been drinking. More importantly, it's dangerous -- just as dangerous as if you get behind the wheel of a car. I enjoy boating, but I never drink on a boat. If there is an emergency on the water, you need to be fully aware of what is going on so you can save yourself and help others. If you're buzzed, you're not going to be fully aware. I am not against drinking -- I enjoy a few drinks on the weekends -- but I don't think people fully understand the risks they're taking drinking on a boat.
lisad
9:50 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
it does look kinda look like a cross between "girls gone wild" vs "Jersey Shore" and i could never understand why the police never sat outside and wrote tickets for those who were operating intoxicated...would have stopped a lot of it. I've had my run ins there. two years ago i was taking some friends in to see it, i had kayakers on my port side, jet skiers on my starboard side and boats come at me in tandem in front of me. An ahole skier fell off his ski and it came right at me...i was able to avoid everything..last year some dumb ass jumped off his roof and landed about two feet from my bow as i was moving...this could have been policed tho and they don't need to shutter it.
Mary
1:21 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
I agree about the drinking and driving aspect, but then we need to have the marine police out there to monitor the situation. Closing F-Cove is a terrible decision, it is our waterways, to enjoy, and of course respect, how about giving tickets to who litter. Closing it for the people who respect and enjoy the water, after a week of work
is horrible......
Joseph Woolston Brick
11:57 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
You never realize what you have till it’s gone. F-Cove and toilet paper is a good example.
Kathie Bottazzi
12:49 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Respect nature and it wouldn't be a problem...yes a fun spot...if your into boat jumping, getting wasted in the hot sun, and watching others trash it up...it used to be a great spot...but too many non-boaters, non-residents, abuse the privilege..we've always tried to police our area..however, many who are too intoxicated or whatever have exploited it...Perhaps the one's who love our waters, can help control the madness..and it will again be enjoyable for all.
joe zaprzalka
1:58 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Hi Kathy, you're so right..... respect for nature and other people trying to enjoy a great spot, it doesn't take a college education to know not to throw garbage in the water or clean up after yourselves when you leave.... just common courtesy, and its the few that just don't get it .... go figure.....
Kathie Bottazzi
2:40 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
HI Joe, hope you and yours are well, enjoying the Easter weekend and not working too hard. Funny bunnies are they, who can't just enjoy the simple things. :)
Rick Molinia
6:15 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Last time i was there.. Jack & Jill went up the hill.. each carrying a $1.25 then an 1/2 Hour Later Jill came down the hill with $2.50.. OH
Kathie Bottazzi
10:45 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Exactly.. Head for the hills if you feel the need..I'd rather stay grounded and enjoy all the waters.. A lot of us were "benny's" once but our children are "home grown" .. We reap what we sow...try relaxing and breath in the fresh air..we and nature can live harmoniously with a little effort from all..plenty of blame all around..I'm enjoying it "local" style..as we always have..
Tony G
3:04 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
We moved down here in the mid-late 60's from North Jersey to get get away from the pending riots, as my parents wanted a safer place for us 6 kids to grow up. So we have been here for almost 50 yrs give or take. Maybe its not politicaly correct to think this, but the current crop that moved here say over the last 10-15 are just not as respectful to put it mildly. Truth is, if I or any of my brothers ever acted like some of the idiots that hang in F cove or have been transplanted here over the last decade. Well my dad would of giving us a boot up the where the sun don't shine and then a smack in the back of the head for good measure. Guess what, we would never act up again and forget ever being disrespectful to an adult.
darrell
2:20 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
I have lived here for 58 years and consider myself a "piney" not many of us left. I love the beach, boating on Barnegat Bay, walking Pt. Plsnt. boardwalk, the great restaurants in Point, Lavallette and Seaside. I enjoy all of the above. Would never consider moving. Let everyone else move if you are unhappy here. Don't complain just move..
Jose
4:04 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
So who plans on showing up there this summer anyways?
Taxpayer of toms river
12:43 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
It doesn't matter you can shut it down and they will now go other places at least they are parked and drinking compared to drinking and driving kid will always overcome and find a new place they should keep it open and put some police presents in there check Ids so their is no underage drinking or jus charge per boat good money maker
darrell
11:11 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Driving a boat and drinking is just as bad. Even if they check id's how do they get their boats home after a day at F Cove? Can they get a DWI? There are many families on the bay. There should be more police presence on the waters, spot checking the boaters.
lisad
12:35 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
yes Darrell, they can get dwi's which takes away their auto drivers license and thats what should be done. I have a 27' bowrider and i was coming out of the top of the F last year and some drunk a hole jumped off his boat and landed two feet from the bow of mine. The idiot doesn't get that even tho i am not moving or moving very slowly, my props are still spinning..and can do quite a bit of damage....and when i called the guy an a hole he acted as if it was MY fault...
John
11:42 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
There's a bunch of grumpy clowns on here. F-Cove party will continue this summer.
"No final decisions have been made regarding public access to the site this time around, Rettig said. The signs simply mark the refuge boundaries. There has been no determination made as to how the access ban will be enforced, she said."
Nobody will be enforcing the few rinky dink signs that were put up.
BrickAmericanMan
11:55 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
right on! the party will remain! I am one of the many who do not litter and safely drive back to my dock. if the F cove closes then treasure island will be the next party place to dock.
lisad
12:33 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
the F-Cove party, the underage drinking and the drunk idiots NEED to stop or there will be no F-Cove party. Those signs were put up all through out the refuge, i live across from it in Baywood and they put those goofy signs up every 100 feet along the roadway along the refuge.
darrell
12:06 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
I think Treasure Island is a nicer place.
lisad
12:31 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
After speaking with the manager of the refuge this morning, they have not closed it at this point. It is in discussion but i think that some warnings are in order. The drinking and wildness have got to be toned down. It just has to and if it doesn't say goodbye to hanging at F Cove. I suggested they send police presence back there and nail a few people...They WILL get the hint. The place does not need to look like Karma in Seaside the way it does when Jersey Shore is filming....
summer lover
1:15 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
Wow! Thanks for all the hype about this place! I've heard a few things about the f-cove, until now. I'll be sure to check it out the next warm weekend, in my new boat!!
good time for all
2:18 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
I agree, f-cove seems more enticing now.. "girls gone wild, jersey-shore, etc" thanks to all the people on here for "advertising" a new spot for my friends and I to party this summer!
darrell
1:59 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
If someone gets injured either in a boat or just being there who is responsible? Whether their drinking or not? Can they sue Brick, Wildlife reserve, Barnegat Bay or Marine Police for not not watching over F Cove now that we are all aware of F Cove and all the negative responses. Someone has to be responisable for what's going on.
lisad
3:58 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
most likely that is the number one reason. LIABILITY. I say get rid of the lawyers and we wouldn't have to worry about half of what we do.
DAN FRIENDLY
10:24 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Rettig should be drowned and tied to a concrete block at the entrance to the cove, then run over and made into chum
George
8:28 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Nice and friendly. "A majority of the people go there to drink and use the water as their toilet. There is drug use and wild behavior at the site."
You're in favor of a different kind of "wildlife." Take your floating bar to some garbage-filled cove off Staten Island.
lisad
8:48 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
i am sure you would be thrilled if someone said that about you or your family. you must be one of the dregs that hang in there...
njguy
6:36 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Dan why would you do that to the fish.. HHAHAHAHA
BRICKRAW
10:30 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
George-
Don't come on the computer to take your fat aggression out on everybody. There are people who can have fun without trashing anything. The people who want to have fun and live life will take their floating bar wherever we damn well please. Don't be such a miserable prick.
BRICKRAW
10:38 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
@ Lisa we are all gonna party hard and throw up on you and George. Hahahaha. Cause we're all cRaZy animalzzzzz.
lisad
10:46 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
@P ee B rain. I guess its people like you who probably don't respect anything that ruin it for all the others who can enjoy something without destroying it. Keep your throw up on your boat, im sure there's been lots, oh and how bout that pile of "crap" that pilots it.
BRICKRAW
11:05 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Oh Lisa. It's all just a joke... A lil poke at who you are as a person. I wont puke on anyone. I promise. Do us all a favor though, go back and look at all your pathetic comments. It's pretty clear that you might have a boat shoe stuck somewhere it does not belong. And all of your "quotes" are silly. Boaters don't use quotes!! Didn't they teach you that in your $99.00 boating class. Remember your a big girl captain now.
Mark Story Jenks
11:09 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
I'm surprised that Brick can't see this as a revenue stream. Like the red light cameras.
(sarcasm)
AA
4:25 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Here is how i see it... The Fed wants this place closed to save wildlife? ok lets take a look at the facts... you have hundreds of boats beaching themselves all summer at the F cove ( Engines off). Now that there is no F cove where will all of these Boats go? Silver bay? Tices? etc... Now you have a big problem, Drinking out in the open water and you " younger wilder crowd" interacting with the families at other spots. More Gas usage = pollution... More interaction with families = disturbances and police complaints. More drinking out in the open water = more drinking and driving with less police interaction. Here is what i propose - Charge each boat $200.00 for a sticker ( seasonal pass) x 1000 boats over the season = $200,000 that can be donated to conserve wildlife elsewhere or be used to clean the F cove after the season.. THE END... I hate when Government employees need to justify their jobs, get a life
AA
4:30 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
OH and fine the shit out of people who leave garbage behind and dont get a season pass... other then that let if be
MJ
6:16 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Closing the cove is extremely unfortunate. It is a great place to hang out and relax and get out of the elements and the chop of the bay without dropping achor. I have been going there for over 20 years. In the beginning we can go in any day of the week without any problems or crowds, including Sunday's. It was not until that rediculous show (Jersey Shore) aired and exploited our, the locals, little secret. Again, this is extremely unfortunate and I hope that the authorities who made this decision choose to reconsider their choice. Maybe a little help from that wonderful organization, Save Barnegat Bay, as they were successful in keeping out a large condo complex that had already been approved. Also, I want to thank Daniel Nee for this article and respectfully request for him to keep us abreast with any future developments on the status of the cove.
craig
4:36 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
This is to whom you must complain about the F-Cove ban on access:
Virginia Rettig
Refuge Manager
Edwin B. Forsythe National Wildlife Refuge
800 Great Creek Road
Post Office Box 72
Oceanville, NJ 08231-0072
609-652-1665, ext. 16
609-652-1474 (fax)
http://www.fws.gov/northeast/forsythe/
Tell everyone who is affected to call, email, fax, and so on. She is the person to beg. We need a massive effort or it's over.
Any suggestions?
craig
5:39 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012
I just heard that pilings are in place at the mouth of the F-Cove. Can anyone verify this?
MJ
6:23 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012
Craig,
No pilings. At this point there are barrels, similar to no wake barrels, at the entrance. They are visible from the bridge. My boat isn't in yet to see what is written on them.
John T Vogel Jr
4:11 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Good we will have something to tie up to. The party must go on!
TERRY
9:17 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
It says KEEP OUT! WILD LIFE REFUGE
TERRY
9:18 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
You guys, where in the world is Hidden Cove? Or was that a joke that it's "hidden"??? lol
Phil McCrakin PST
10:06 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
Hidden cove is located on the opposite side of the manaloking bridge from the fcove. IF you go under the bridge heading toward the barnegat bay its about half a mile down on the right. It is pretty hidden and hard to find if you dont know where its at. Its a great time and also has large beaches.
BrickAmericanMan
9:46 am on Monday, April 30, 2012
Is hidden cove deep enough? Is that the T shaped cove?
TERRY
10:09 am on Monday, April 30, 2012
Hidden cove?? Is T Cove. And they shut down that too'
DT
3:54 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012
I was out on the boat 3 weeks ago on a Sunday, I did not see any barrels ?? Just the brandy new signs, and to boot there were about a dozen boats beached up. Occupy F-Cove !
craig
5:33 pm on Monday, April 30, 2012
Hello all. We went to the F-Cove on a 27 foot Sea Ray on April 15, 2012, which, coincidentally, was 100 years to the day that the Titanic sank. There were perhaps 10 boats there. It was a beautiful day that ended horribly because were given a written warning by the NJ State Police for being in the refuge. The "No Entry" barrels were not in position yet. I begged the officer to give me a written warning (for historical purposes) but he would not because I was not the operator of the vessel.
In any case it now comes down to how they intend to enforce the ban that is being pursued by the one and only Virginia Rettig (see a few posts above). If they have not physically barred entry, then of course we can go in, but it becomes a question of the enforcement penalty. If the state police were clever, they'd write a $50 ticket for illegal entry for each boat and let people stay, as well as writing tickets for littering and other offenses. They'd make a fortune.
And yes Hidden Cove, or "T-Cove" is within the refuge and also has been sealed off by Virginia Rettig.
For anyone who states some reason for the F-Cove being closed, forget what you think you know. The reason is that Virginia Rettig decided that this is how it is going to be, and that's that. It has nothing to do with summertime F-Cove shenanigans, the Jersey Shore show, litter, drug use, fights, or any other red herring anyone wants to state. If we were all angels, Virginia Rettig was still going to close it!
Action Jackson
10:09 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Its amazing to read all the conspiracy theories here. its simple math, you party trolls made too much of a mess and now we all have to pay the price. look around you, and love earth instead of being a pig with a bread crumb trail behind you.
Phil McCrakin PST
1:20 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Hey Action Jackson its easy to be a typing tough guy. This has nothing to do with math dumbass. Sounds like you are another one of those miserable pricks that doesnt know what its like to kick back and have fun. Be careful how you label people as "trolls" and "pigs". Remember karma comes back around.
Phil McCrakin PST
1:30 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
By the way read the comment left right above yours. The shut down has nothing to do with partying. Its a wildlife refuge. Virginia want to keep it that way. That being said treasure island and tices are going to be packed this summer so get there early. May 8th the town is having a public meeting to discuss if they should make fcove a public waterway.
craig
2:37 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Phil, thank you for posting that information! I will definitely be there! For all those interested, I got this from the Brick web site:
All meetings will be held in the Municipal Building, 401 Chambers Bridge Road.
Start date 05/08/2012
Starts at 7:00:00 PM Ends at 11:00:00 PM
Phil, if the town makes fcove a public waterway, does that solve the issue? We can take our boats in there, and almost beach same as before, but instead, just drop anchor rather than beach the boat. Boats could raft up rather than pull onto the sand. Would this render Virginia Rettig's ban on access essentially null and void?
What must be done for the town to declare fcove a public waterway? Is the council on the side of the taxpayers of Brick that use the fcove responsibly? I need info!!!
I want to state again, for anyone who doesn't understand: I personally spoke to Virginia Rettig. She wants human access banned in the name of wildlife and wildlife habitat. It has nothing to do with any behaviors that went on there. If you are a human being, it is her opinion, and within the exercise of her authority, that you are banned. Your ability to recreate responsibly and quietly enjoy the fcove is absolutely to be sacrificed on the altar of wildlife. No argument on behalf of human beings will ever be considered by her. Her philosophy is extreme and completely unreasonable and reasoning with her is a guaranteed failure. Simply put, her mind is made up. And you are... wait for it... BANNED!
Phil McCrakin PST
10:38 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Its all hear say from hear on out. The May 8th public breifing will explain everything and will determine if they will allow public access to the fcove. The federal government is arguing the fact that it is a man made waterway and is not legally owned by anyone. Im sure even if they do put an official ban on the fcove they will reopen it sometime soon due to the fact that everyone is going to migrate to family oriented places. The over crowding of these areas are going to awaken the eyes of officials and grant access back to the fcove. This is just a theory of mine but it would make perfect sense.
lisad
10:57 am on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Phil, i don't think so. you take those boats from F Cove and send them to Tice's, Silver Bay, Treasure Island and nobody will even notice....whats a few hundred more boats at Tice's???? I think we need to do more like contact the governor and go to the meeting on the 8th but it needs to be in mass, not just ten people....
Mark Story Jenks
12:25 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
I believe the state of NJ has jurisdiction over all inland waterways (in NJ of course), natural or man made.
Mark Story Jenks
12:26 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
I should add tidal, I guess.
Rob Malanky
2:24 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
For all the people who'd like to keep the F Cove open to the residents, please help us grow this movement on Facebook -
http://www.facebook.com/FightClosingFCove
MJ
4:05 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
This is bs. FC is an amazing family fun spot for anybody to enjoy the sun and bay all summer long. Yeah obviously everyone drinks there but that's the whole point and it's all in good fun and fashion. There's a hotdog boat (firehouse caterers) and people doing jet ski tricks and throwing footballs and listening to music. Everyone behaves and if they don't then trust me the hear it from everyone around them because we all are lookin out for each other and do the policing ourselves. Barely anybody pollutes the water there cuz if they do anyone that sees them yells at them and makes them clean it up becuz no one wanted it to get shut down. This is an outrage and ppl will riot. Just for wildlife? Lol that's so dumb and rediculous there's a million other places all around FC that the wildlife can occupy like that huge wildlife park in silver bay. We have to fight this! There's No way they can do this and ruin our summers. It's a landmark and they should just be proud of that and support fcove not shut it down.
MJ
4:06 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
This is bs. FC is an amazing family fun spot for anybody to enjoy the sun and bay all summer long. Yeah obviously everyone drinks there but that's the whole point and it's all in good fun and fashion. There's a hotdog boat (firehouse caterers) and people doing jet ski tricks and throwing footballs and listening to music. Everyone behaves and if they don't then trust me the hear it from everyone around them because we all are lookin out for each other and do the policing ourselves. Barely anybody pollutes the water there cuz if they do anyone that sees them yells at them and makes them clean it up becuz no one wanted it to get shut down. This is an outrage and ppl will riot. Just for wildlife? Lol that's so dumb and rediculous there's a million other places all around FC that the wildlife can occupy like that huge wildlife park in silver bay. We have to fight this! There's No way they can do this and ruin our summers. It's a landmark and they should just be proud of that and support fcove not shut it down.
John T Vogel Jr
4:15 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Applegate cove!!!! Spread the word....It's just south of silver bay. The party must go on!!!!!!!! any questions contact me...john@nulifepavers.com
MJ
4:18 pm on Wednesday, May 2, 2012
Before or after the bridge?
340 Dancer
12:09 am on Friday, May 4, 2012
Those who think that they would simply put up a "KEEP OUT" sign are sadly mistaken. Word is they are going to drive a few pilings at the entrance to stop the boats from entering. They took bids a few years ago (which I actually saw) for this task and it never happened. Let's hope it never happens again.
bob
9:12 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
FIRST they did it @ THE Sedge islands by barngate inlet-[in the 90s]-Now ther DOING IT AGAIN @F-COVE-WATCH OUT BOATERS-THER GONNA BE EYEBALLING TICES SHOALS NEXT-"THEN WHERE DO WE GO"??-BACK TO THE DOCK?-GEE WHAT "FUN"-SOUNDS LIKE ILL BE MOVING OUTA THEGARDEN[OPPS] I MEAN" POLICE STATE" ASAP-[a boating enthusiast whos "had enuff"]
joe
10:32 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
JB There is nothing wrong with having a good time in the sun on your boat !!!! we only get 3 good months out of the year to be outside comfortably .....and with the price of gas no one is going to drive to TICES so where are all of these boats going to go ? what are we gonna stay docked on a boat all summer long with our thumbs up our asses!! I am an animal lover and are all for wildlife refuge but if you ask me thats an excuse because it has nothing to do with that !!!!!!THE BIRDS ARE NOT BEING BOTHERED!!!
craig
11:47 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Hello all. Craig here. If anyone attended the Brick township meeting, I was the first to speak in the Q&A session.
We are planning on suing Fish and Wildlife in Federal Court in the next couple of weeks.
We will be setting up a dedicated web site as soon as possible to keep everyone informed of our progress.
Please stay tuned!
We have not yet begun to fight. We have all lost a big part of our freedom due to this unilateral power grab by 2 unelected federal officials (specifically Virginia Rettig and her as-yet-unnamed solicitor).
This action can not, and will not, go unchallenged.
Virginia Rettig has 47,800 acres to manage in her region of the Edwin B. Forsythe refuge (in just Ocean and Atlantic counties). The F-Cove and T-Cove together comprise less than 1/10th of 1% of the refuge.
I'll leave it there for now. More information will be posted ASAP!