The government passes laws that have an effect on people's lives based on marital status. Taxation, rights to make medical decisions, inheritance, social security transfer, etc are all legal areas where marriage comes into play. It therefore makes sense that state governments have a say in what constitutes a marriage. I have a very very difficult time understanding how and why states can claim to accept homosexuality while clearly demonstrating a strong bias against it by making it illegal for homosexual couples to get married. It is not up to government to legislate morality, yet it is done all the time.

President Obama's opinion of gay marriage is completely irrelevant though. Legislation on marriage is outside of the realm of federal government power and is reserved for the states alone. The only way for a nationwide change to occur is if 38 states ratify an amendment to the US constitution redefining marriage. This requires no input from the federal government and certainly not the president. His support may sway the opinions of some, but only those with the mind of a lemming.

the subject of Marriage between whomever is a matter to be taken up with God.....

He doesn't belive in it.He thinks its disgusting and he is just doing this to get reelected.

He also has the women vote. Maybe you should be more concerned as to why the GOP in recent years seems to be all about taking rights away from American citizens....

We're lucky to have him for another 4 years. Pretty sure your short comment tells people all they need to know about your thought process, thanks.

Thank You

Sadly for gay people they don't have the freedom and rights you do. Due to our laws they are 2nd class citizens. This is a civil rights issue.

Your post doesn't make much sense. This is a civil rights issue. Sadly gay people in many states don't have the same rights and freedoms you do (I'm assuming your straight) they are fighting for those rights. If you are gay, depending on what state you live in, then you don't have permission to marry the person you love like a normal person. That is the point of this. Are you unaware of this?

If we truly had 'civil rights' we wouldn't need the governments PERMISSION on who to marry! That's the whole point 'lifelonginbrick', the whole point that obviously went right over your head. Do away with the whole government involvement in marriage period. Marry wtf you want without big brother's permission. Hope you can understand THAT lifelong. I won't explain this to you again because you have been rude.

Huh???

That is an interesting analogy.

Let's say the government did have a bedtime regulation based on each American's natural hair color. It says that Americans with brown hair can go to bed whenever they want, black hair must go to bed at 6 p.m., blonde - 9 p.m., brown 11 p.m., gray - 12 p.m., white hair - 1 a.m.

Is that better?

He's beyond that. When Romney gets Christie onboard and they collectively attack him for his record, that's when the real fun's gonna start. And you think Obama's been quick to play the race card so far?? Wait and see.

There is no wrong time to do the RIGHT thing. He is the first President in history to support the notion that gay people ARE NOT 2nd class citizens and should not be treated as such....as opposed to the clowns on the other side who seem more obsessed with taking away rights from Americans.

"Sigh" Another one who hasn't been paying attention. For someone to tag themselves as "common sense" and not even bother to do 2 minutes of research before making a comment...well, doesn't make much sense.

Don't worry about the unfulfilled promises. Worry about what he hasn't told us. If he gets another term, you won't be able to recognize our beloved country. (BTW, civil unions for everyone. That way, everyone is equal in the eyes of the govt.

Alright Ann Powers, here you are talking about unfulfilled promises, who'd you vote for that you can complain so damn much about? What have you done in your power to actually make a difference. Don't go talking about not being able to recognize your beloved country if you arent out there making an effort yourself to make it a better place.

Prior to 1863, slavery had a tradition over 10,000 years old. Glad we ended it, Doris? Or should we cling to archaic thinking because we fear change?

I can't wait until this archaic way of thinking dies out. I hope to see it in my lifetime.

Perhaps we should keep to the time honored traditions of the Old Testament--one man, several wives?!

Please tell us why our laws have to obey YOUR bible???

Um, 2,000 year old tradition...some tradition when you drive thru a wedding chapel in vegas, say i do and get divorced in two weeks...more than half of all marriages end in divorce..liz taylor believed in the sanctity too huh, how many husbands?? Marriage is a joke anymore and i wonder why we even care...and no Obama isn't doing this for votes....he doesn't need them at this point. Blame it on the sorry bunch of candidates the republicans have put up to go against him. I am a republican and there is no way in hell i could even THINK of voting for Romney...not that i am voting for obama either..i will just stay home.

Ummm, marriage has changed definitions quite often throughout the past 2,000 years. Its only a relatively recent notion that people marry for love. Marriage used to be unions to gain families more wealth, power or sometimes both when bartering their children away. Well, unless you were poor, but then your king had the right to bang your wife :D You've obviously never had to fight to be considered equal if you think this is about poking someone in the eye.

So, we should continue doing things one way because that's the way we've always done them? That's certainly not progress.

RE: Tom Coyle "Prior to 1863, slavery had a tradition over 10,000 years old. Glad we ended it, Doris? Or should we cling to archaic thinking because we fear change?"

AH typical ignorant LIEberal that was when slavery was out lawed in the US... there is still slvery in the world now.

You might try doing a wee bit of research before you spout your typicalLIEberal anti american comments you wont sound like an idiot like the idiots that vp

proudnot2beliberal....soooo since slavery exists elsewhere in the world we shouldn't even bother to making civil rights progress at all for anyone else??? How is just discussing a part of our history however ugly anti-American???

Just a couple questions for you life Do you work ? how about your buds diogenes, eggs, mattie ? you guys seem to have loads of free tiem to comment on so many topics here on patch. i know I work for a living & cant make anywhere close to the # of commenst you make. Maybe your paid by sorros obomie puppet master?

Now ill type slow again so you can follow tom wrote "Prior to 1863, slavery had a tradition over 10,000 years old" a couple FCATS 1 America didnt exist 10k yrs ago slavery still exists today. See you LIEberals always blame the US for all the evil in the world. See that was the point I was making

Thank you, Sharon!

Well said, Sharon!!! People have the right to be who they are and to be happy!
Thank You!!!

Well said, thanks Sharon

I couldn't agree more- thank you, well said Sharon!

Like!

Well put!!!

Really? Following that logic, any sin is an "option".....

Exactly Paddler... any "sin" IS an option. We have free will, to make choices like that.
However the question is "Is homosexuality at "sin"??" And the answer to that question is -- once again -- dependent upon your RELIGIOUS beliefs.

Gosh I hope so........ Tired of it all.........But let's go out, with a great party!

Y2K

In your world it is.

Hmm Rich well there is a solution - you shouldn't marry another man but stay out of other peoples lives.

.....and so are you!

Who are you to say it is? What if it was wrong to love a woman?

This country needs at least 3 significantly Liberal thinking presidents in a row to get back on track as a great nation once again.-Mattie

Problem with that is, we wouldn't exist as a country any more.

PS- enjoy Obama for these last few months you're going to have him.

Well, CR, that depends on one's vision and interpretation of "a great nation" doesn't it? Apparently, yours and mine are different.

I agree Mattie. The GOP has gone so far off the cliff. They seem obsessed with being up in women's "junk" and taking away basic rights from other Americans (gays). They made a HUGE mess of the economy last time they had their hands on it and the GOP ruled congress has the lowest approval ratings in history. They have become a joke where the word "moderate" is seen as ugly leaving what? Extreme religious freaks. Not healthy.

Then go to France, cuba or North Korea or one of the other FAILED far left nations of the world. Im sue if you renouce your US citizenship well take up a collection for a 1 way ticket to the country of your choice.

@proudnot2bliberal - only a profoundly ignorant mind would actually label NK and Cuba at "far left" countries. Try picking up a book once in a while or using a fork to break out of that bubble your in.... and I wouldn't not call a 1400 year old country like France "failed" by any measure.

RE: lifelonginbrick "@proudnot2bliberal - only a profoundly ignorant mind would actually label NK and Cuba at "far left" countries. Try picking up a book once in a while or using a fork to break out of that bubble your in.... and I wouldn't not call a 1400 year old country like France "failed" by any measure"

This speaks VOLUMES of your LIEberal mindstate NK is a 3rd or 4th world country at best its people are starving in the streets under a brutal regime. France hasnt had a balanced budget since 1974 & hasnt been a world power since napolian. Cuba is stuck in 1960 despite millions from the former soviet union & its people flee the oppresive castro regime, just go to miami & ask any of the tens of thousands who fled.

YOU migh try picking up a book that wasnt written by a antiamerican socialist or a fork to pop that typical leftist disallusional bubble you are surrounded by.

@proudnot2beliberal ...sigh your little rant did nothing to illustrate in your mind NK or Cuba are American style "far left" liberal states. They aren't not even by a warped minds standards. Also I find it extremly weird that your measure of "success" of a country is that they are a world power. Most countries aren't world powers by that standard and yet they have and continue to have long histories where their citizens lead rich lives and they influence the rest of the world in a postive way. Despite your blind hatred of everything "liberal" (do you even know what that word means?) ya can't make everything fit under that heading.

RE: lifelonginbrick: YES I know what LIEberal mean ignorant & you have proven it along with teh rest of the antiamerican far left 99%'s aka obomie army of losers looking for a hand out. Now Ill type very slowly so you can follow here if NK cuba & france are not far left wing countries WHAT IS?????. Let me gues sthere are none in your opinion.

Not mine. I believe in treating everyone as an equal. I don't hate someone who is different than me. I don't judge someone because they have differen beliefs than I do. What you said above is so hateful. "penalty of error" please!

As an atheist your beliefs do not apply to me.

Remember that whole "will of God" thing the next time one of your "good Christian" friends or family member spends $40,000 on invitro fertilization treatments. And saying the Bible claims sexual intercourse is a "natural bonding process" between (only) male and females- yet then goes to great lengths in limiting how, when, why and with whom this "natural" bonding should happen - even between male and female - according to Bible rules and regulations. Uh-huh.

This may come as a shock to you sparky but there is no law requiring us to all be Christian - you don't get to shove your religion down our throats. I really don't care what your imaginary sky wizard said (eh actually the bible was written by men right?) 2000 years ago. It has no place in our govenment. Maybe you would be happier in Iran you know somewhere that has a religous police.

What about the Biblical practice of multiple wives? Should we resurrect that? Or how about the New Testament injunction against divorce? See, no matter what your stance on gay marriage, there is a certain amount of hyprocisy and inconsistency involved when one cites the Bible for certain social practices. Excuse me--I'm going to go and eat a ham sandwich now.

" you don't get to shove your religion down our throats. I really don't care what your imaginary sky wizard said (eh actually the bible was written by men right?) 2000 years ago."

For some claiming on these posts to believe in equality for all, not judging others etc... this sounds more hateful and spiteful than anything. Why couldn't you simply reply "I disagree" or "As a non-Christian, I don't follow these beliefs". Attacking someone else because of their religious beliefs is no different than attacking someone because their gay. Hence, these types of statements make you a hypocrite.

First there needs to be a God. Everything else you say after that has no meaning, except in your religious circle. I also hope you practice sex according the the teaching in your Bible, and I will bet you haven't.

Very well said, but for those that don't know the Bible it will be a very sad day for them!

Thanks for your religious insight,but you are wrong in my beliefs. That is the problem with religion ,very closed minded. Don't you have a funeral or abortion clinic to bother.It has been my experience that people that want to talk religion , always want to talk about their religion,never your religion. To each his own.

Whatever happened to Adam and Steve?

Well said! It shouldn't. We are going backwards.

Their God.

Exactly Chris, exactly....

They are just mean old religious morons who will soon die off....

Statements like that lifelongbrick, make you sound like a complete moron and an ass.

Sorry if my bluntness offends Timeforachange but so far I have not seen one single person on this thread who objects to gay marriage that has not used the bible as justification. Soooo my comment isn't that off the mark . We live in a country that has a seperation between chuch and state anyone unaware of that IS a moron. Polls show that it is mainly older people who have a problem with gay marriage - the younger generation? not so much. My statement has more than a ring of truth, sorry if you don't like it.

"We live in a country that has a seperation between chuch and state anyone unaware of that IS a moron." And there you go again. Generalizations and grouping people is the same as stereotyping. So far, I haven't seen one comment by you that doesn't display the same type of hate or rhetoric.

Timeforachange ...Moron from the greek word moros meaning foolish or stupid as in people who live in this country but don't seem to know we have a seperation between church and state. Sounds pretty darn accurate to me. Sorry if the truth hurts.

RE: lifelonginbrick "Timeforachange ...Moron from the greek word moros meaning foolish or stupid as in people who live in this country but don't seem to know we have a seperation between church and state. Sounds pretty darn accurate to me. Sorry if the truth hurts."

Well again typical ignorant LIEBeral (probably from watching PMSnbc) can I ask you where in the constitution does it state "Separation of Church & state'??????? IT DOESNT!!!!!!! Now you might try picking up a book on the constitution or the constitution itself & read it.

What it does state is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." (NOTICE or prohibiting the exercise there of. You LIEberals seem to always do that esp/w obomiecare abortion/contraception mandate. But that another issue)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

@proudnot2beliberal... the "free exercise of religion" does NOT mean that you get to force everyone to adhere to your personal religion and/or make laws forcing everyone to adhere to your religion. Last time I checked no one was suggestion that anyone be forced against their will into a gay marriage soooo if SS marriage is against your religion .... good news! ya don't have to marry someone of the same sex. So making SS marriage legal doesn't force anyone to do anything against their religion. Critical thinking is not your strong point is it?

How many times does this foul mouth "Proudnot2bliberal" lunatic have to be flagged?
When is someone going to purge this comment section of his hatred? Come on, Patch Editors... I know it's the weekend, but really.

I agree. It is not the government's job to moralize or stand in judgement -- according to the religious views of some -- and determine which civil rights are to be given to whom. It is only their job to _recognize and protect_ those civil rights for every citizen of this country. Period.
Who a person LEGALLY chooses as a "life partner," marriage partner, or whatever they wish to call it, is no one's business but their own. The only reason the government has any say in this AT ALL is only for legal purposes, not moral assessment.

@proudnot2beliberal....curiously you don't seem to reflect even for a moment on just how misguided and wrong it is to put a civil rights question on a ballot to be decided in the first place. So your boast about states that are craven and ignorant enough to allow the masses decide who gets to marry is as empty as the rest of your rant. It's real special that you have gay friends and even allowed a few at your wedding. Maybe instead you could please explain just how exactly you personally would be hurt if one of your gay friends were to marry? How exactly does that hurt Mr. Proudnot2beliberal, what rights do you lose? Will you be able to carry on with your daily life with the knowledge that the gay couple down the street got married??

RE: lifelonginbrick "@proudnot2beliberal....curiously you don't seem to reflect even for a moment on just how misguided and wrong it is to put a civil rights question on a ballot to be decided in the first place. So your boast about states that are craven and ignorant enough to allow the masses decide who gets to marry is as empty as the rest of your rant. It's real special that you have gay friends and even allowed a few at your wedding. Maybe instead you could please explain just how exactly you personally would be hurt if one of your gay friends were to marry? How exactly does that hurt Mr. Proudnot2beliberal, what rights do you lose? Will you be able to carry on with your daily life with the knowledge that the gay couple down the street got married??"

OK this time I will type very slowly so your small LIEberal mind can follow....Civil unions are already the law in many states just enforce or strengthen the CU laws. I will repeat it again Civil unions are already the law in many states just enforce or strengthen the CU laws.
You also stated the "you are proud of your president" What did he do? He made his usual BS speech that said a lot of nothing. In the end he said it should be a states’ rights issue. Most of us are fortunately not fooled by blusterous empty speeches like & your LIEberal friends. Most of us look for content not an empty unqualified suit

@proudnot2beliberal....I'll use a sock puppet so maybe you can follow along. Civil union don't allow for the same legal rights and if you want to alter them to then why not just legalize SS marriage fully. Why must we have some half-a$$ed Jim Crow laws for gay people? Also did you know the law the meatheads in NC just voted on also bans civil unions for gay AND straight people??? You never or can't address the main point in my last point and that is simply that when it comes to a civil rights issue it is WRONG to have it decided by popular vote. Civil rights are about fair and level playing field. You don't let three wolves and one sheep vote on whats for dinner.

RElifelonginbrick OK Ill type even slower than I did last time so your small LIEberal mind can follow (I know its hard especially when I use FACTS & TRUTHS a LIEberasl worst enemy)

WHY NOT STRENGTHEN THE CU LAWS ALREADY ON THE BOOKS TO INCLUDE THESE RIGHTS?? again just about every religion sees homo sexuality as a sin so why do you LIEberals go protest in a mosque instead of picking on christians? (teah I know this country is 85%+ christian it hard for small LILEberal minds to use FACTS & TRUTH. Go to Palistine where its 90%+ muslium & protest against the religion. WHat no guts Im sure we can give you & your buds a 1 way ticket NP

@RoL you bet!!

AMEN!!

Yes then the bigots are free keep gay people as 2nd class citizens, women can be put back into their 'place' and dependant on men who can freely discriminate against them in the workplace, dictate how many children they have, and keep their damn mouths shut when someone roughs them up. Yup it's a real paradise ....for you maybe.

people had the wool pulled over thier eyes by a biased partisan lying leftwing failing LAMEstream media that still has not vetted this marxist. Sure he gave "great" speeches that memroized crowds but so did hitler & like his they were full of BS, rhettoric & lies too.

For the record I do not have a problem with a gay, black, female and bipolar president, I simply do not feel the current holder of the office if fit for the task and he has proven it time and time again. To pass / support unconstitutional laws that would force people to enter into commerce? To pass / support laws that will continue erode our freedoms? Wake up! I sure don't want another four years of what we have had the last four. My opinion is of the man's actions not has race, creed, color or religion. Frankly I am afraid of what he will try to break next, perhaps the internet? Oh wait he has and still is working on that one.

“A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!”
― Thomas Jefferson

Selective government, you got that right.

Exactly. If he truly believed this, it would have been made know in 2008 during the campaign of Change, Transparency etc... It is smoke and mirrors, or better yet, Kool-Aide.

Actually given that Americans are divided 50/50 about gay marriage this is just as likely to hurt him as help him come election time. I belive his personal feelings about gay marriage may have been for it and I'm sure he would have perferred to not go into this issue. However, since this have become increasingly in the forefront he had to come out on the issue. I'm proud of his stance. You may not be impressed but what other President has EVER come out in favor of the notion that treating gay people like 2nd class citizens is wrong. I can't name one. There is never a wrong time to do the right thing.

Helen, where in the constitution or bill of rights does it say marriage is only between a man and a woman? Please give us the passage.

Civil unions do NOT give the same rights as a marriage license. You can not claim married on your tax return, you can not collect the others social security if that person dies, like widows and widowers do now.

It is the hetrosexuals who shove their sexuality in peoples faces, You can not "teach" children to be gay. That is a MYTH. People are born gay, it is not a choice. People need to stop spreading untruths and realize, gays have the same rights as straight, and by not allowing it, their civil rights are being violated.

It's been proven, Civil Unions do not allow for the same rights. Now North Carolina has even made it unconstitutional for gays to have a Civil Union. I personally have not had any gays shove the sexual preferences in my face, but apparentaly you do.

RE stuffin (NO comment on that "name") Then why not strengthen the civil uion laws already on the book much easier, no offense to the rest of the nation

Stop projecting (your own) fantasies onto the President, Part Timer.

Thank God you will be in Hell someday and not in Heaven with me!!!

Not very Christ-like Cathy. That is not exactly how Jesus would respond, now is it?

Cathy, isn't it God's decision as to who goes where? BTW, I think I read somewhere in a book the dictum "Judge not so that you will not be judged".

CATHY SMITH, spoken like a true Christian.... which is a hypocrite. quote all your versus and the true jackass eventually comes out in all of you....
there is no hell or heaven.... why do you think you have to spoon fed all of this nonsense at a young age before you can rationalize about it
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"thank god you will be in hell" ... yet the pedophile that gave his soul to christ will be in heaven with you..... see, you are just gullible

Bisexuality is sexual behavior or an orientation involving physical or romantic attraction to males and females

I'm stating my opinions about a topic. You are projecting something into what you claim the PRESIDENT is feeling or thinking (like throwing up). Stick to how you feel or think about a topic, not projecting your thoughts and feelings onto other people.
See the difference?

When people want laws, for *or* against something based solely on religious / moral grounds, that IS trying to insinuate one's religious beliefs onto others. How can you say it's not? However, I admit you have me confused. You claim the president was insincere and looked like he wanted to throw up, but yet you support his decision to uphold the rights of gay couples. Am I reading you wrong?

Sorry if my strongly worded post offended you but I stand by what I said. There is a disturbing trend that the current GOP is taking up where they ARE using religion to mould and change our laws. We have a seperation between church and state in this country to PROTECT all religions. We have a long agreement - we don't tax churches and they don't mess with politics. However religious right and Catholic church wants to change that. And yes when people claim that their reason something should be illegal is because it offends "their" religion then THEY ARE INFLICTING THEIR PERSONAL BELIEFS ON THE REST OF US. Tell me how they aren't???

Do your history. This country was founded by Pagan and Masons. The country was founded on moral beliefs. The same people that wrote down the law to allow for religious freedoms. No on trying to shove anything down your throat. People have beliefs. Deal with it.

The question isn't WHO founded this country, but on WHAT PRINCIPLES was it founded? It was founded on the concept of separation of Religion (ANY religion) and our RIGHTS, and the separation of Religion (ANY religion) and our LAWS.
Our country's laws are supposed to be fair and even handed across the board, and our civil rights are supposed to be afforded to EVERY citizen regardless of (their) religion, color, creed or economic status. It's all quite cut and dry really. I'm all for leaving it that way. Unfortunately, for the last 20 -30 years now the right wing religious zealots in America have been working their agenda and insist on insinuating their religious beliefs all over everything and everywhere they don't belong.

"However, I admit you have me confused. You claim the president was insincere and looked like he wanted to throw up, but yet you support his decision to uphold the rights of gay couples. Am I reading you wrong?

Yeah, I never said those things. You have me confused with Part Timer

Timeforchange people can have whatever 'beliefs' they want - I really don't care. However, when people use a religious dogma as a justification to strip rights from any citizens I do have a problem with that. This country was founded by people with a wide range of beliefs and they tried their best to craft a foundation to protect people's religion as well as protect people 'from' religion. When someone is trying to craft a law that effects me based on their personal religious dogma and nothing else then yes they are shoving their beliefs down other peoples throats. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand????

True, I did have you confused with Part Timer regarding that particular comment.... but you still confuse me the same way, because you did say:

"TimeForChange

9:59 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Exactly. If he truly believed this, it would have been made know in 2008 during the campaign of Change, Transparency etc... It is smoke and mirrors, or better yet, Kool-Aide."

So do you also feel this was strictly a "political move" and Obama's need to uphold civil rights for all and/or gay rights is NOT really his personal opinion? Because the way I look at it is, either you agree with his actions or you don't; and either way is valid. But why split hairs over WHY it was done? Unless you just don't like Obama personally and can't get past that no matter what he does....?

And by the way- I "attacked" no one. Debating opinions is not 'attacking'. I always try to refrain from name calling or personal attacks. Sometimes, in the heat of a discussion I may slip- but in this comment section I don't believe I have.

well apparently there's no point in trying to have a discussion then, at least with you, Part Timer. So let's ignore each other, shall we?

It's a civil rights question. Please tell me by what justification to we illegalize two consenting unrelated adults the right to marry? Can you name one reason why it should be illegal? It's just not a personal belief but a civil one as well. Why should the state, any state, get to 'vet' who you spouse should be? When you can answer any of those questions WITHOUT BRINGING UP YOUR RELIGION then you get to question if my assertion is just a 'personal' belief.

aaaaaaah yes the athiest LIEberal havng to go back 200 yrs to find a foult w/christinaity whiel ignoring the 3k+ killed by hussains religion 11 yrs ago

Proudtobliberal: Pretending one didn't happen doesn't make the other more (or less) important. I find fault with organized Christianity every time they send "missionaries" into foreign countries under the guise of charity or "God's Work" by helping the poor -- when in reality they are intruding into other peoples' culture and religious beliefs for the sole purpose of indoctrination. And that happens *today* and every day. Then there's the intrusion and indoctrination that continues to happen right here in the Good Ol' USA- ever heard of places like "Jesus Camp" and/or Westboro Baptist Congregation? Well-organized Christian atrocities, happening today.

Proudtonotbliberal: Anthony reminded me of another Organized Christian "horror" that is not so far in our past... the systematic, well-documented cover-up of pedophile priests! Yeah how could we forget that little gem... only happened what-- within the last decade and still continues? Not only in America either, but all over Europe and wherever "The Church" has been in the last century.

RE: Mattie "Poudtonotbliberal: Anthony reminded me of another Organized Christian "horror" that is not so far in our past... the systematic, well-documented cover-up of pedophile priests! Yeah how could we forget that little gem... only happened what-- within the last decade and still continues? Not only in America either, but all over Europe and wherever "The Church" has been in the last century"

Ah yes the pedophile priest issue I was wondering when the idiotic LIEberlas would bring that up.... Just 1 FACT the TRUTH is about 98% of the incidents were homosexual in nature.
As for the "intruding in other lives" by missionaries if you weren’t an atheist/devil worshipper you might know it’s our duty to inform people about Christ especially the down trodden to help them. BTW what do you do for the "down trodden" handing over 23 -35% of you pay to the gov doesn’t count. Me Ive spent some time helping “soup kitchens (& unlike Moochele I didn’t wear $500 sneakers), I have tried to help homeless provided food, clothing ect & given time & money to charities that specialize in helping the less fortunate.

Proudnottobliberal:

*ALL* your posts are out of line; you are attacking people personally, name calling, bigoted, and absolutely OFFENSIVE.
I've been flagging them, and I hope others are too. I also hope the editor finds it appropriate to remove them.

My point was on this thread the only reason people are giving for why it should be illegal is based on their religous beliefs. I also notice that you didn't answer any of my questions.

You said:
"However, even in Nature, you NEVER see two Males or Females engaged in any type of same sex fornification or such."

That is untrue. Please use Google, it is your friend, you will learn many things, there is a whole world of information out there. Homosexuality is not a "choice" and it does indeed exist out in the natural world.
And one more thing -- Marriage does not always = "sexual acts". People have sexual acts without marriage, besides marriage and after marriage. People have marriage for reasons OTHER than purely sexual reasons, as well. Otherwise married people who stop having sex, for WHATEVER reason, would no longer consider being "married". And what about impotent men? They should not be allowed to get married because there's no "standard sexual male-female sex" acts involved? Please...

Some of the religious holy scriptures of various religions permit multiple wives, and dictate that if a man dies, his brother is obligated to marry the deceased man's wife. The New Testament also forbids divorce. Either we must be consistent, or we must stop using a particular faith's morality as a basis for civil law.That is why we live in a country with separation of church and state, and not a theocracy!

I don't even think that you can make an argument from what happens in nature...certain animals cannabalize the young of their species.in the natural world. The natural world is a thing of beauty and wonder, but it is also a world of violence and ferocity..

Now Adam and Steve can get married.

"...in Nature, you NEVER see two Males or Females engaged in any type of same sex fornification or such. ..."

You've never worked in a kennel.

Because "making up a new word for it" is exactly like saying "Its not the same" in so many ways. You can have two beautiful bathrooms, nearly identical in every way, clean, luxurious, mirrors everywhere, the softest toilet paper, the most polite attendants, but if one if for Black people only and one is for White people only (as an example!!) are they REALLY equal and the same?? Or, take the bus... its going in the same place, seats are all just as comfortable (or not) no matter where one sits, all the windows work, they're clean, etc. There are pros and cons to sitting either in the back or front of the bus. BUT as soon as you say ONLY women in the front, ONLY men in the back.... things are not equal anymore. Get it?

ahh a Jim Crow law for gay people .... giant step backward.

No eggs, I don't get it. Using your logic then we should do away with "male" and "female". We shouldn't be allowed to identify ourselves as either. One label might have an advantage over the other. Then we should have unisex bathrooms. But we don't go that far. We have laws that protect us from unfair treatment. We could have a different word for same sex marriage. Same Sex Marriage, make it "smarriage". Then have laws that replace the word marriage with "marriage and/or smarriage'. They will have ALL the advantages of a traditional marriage.
BTW, I'm all for gay rights and marriages but some gay rights advocates seem like they just want to stick their fingers in the eyes of those who defend traditional marriages.

Jerseyswamps: You don't see the difference between public bathrooms (key word "public") being separate for men and women, and public bathrooms being separate for SKIN COLOR regardless of gender? Really? You see no difference in that? Ok...
And as an FYI, in many workplaces and where there is no "public" access to rest rooms there are many times unisex bathrooms. Also in hospitals and other places where the public can use restrooms, there are unisex bathrooms (for one person at a time with a lock on the access door). So to continue this one step further, to call "marriage" between gay people something different/other than "marriage" is absolutely implying it is not the same or equal.

Eggs, you brought in bathrooms. How did we deal with "white" and "colored" bathrooms? Blacks [or colored back then] didn't demand they and all people be declared "white" and so everybody is "white" and so everybody can use a white bathroom or sit anywhere on a bus. They were proud of their heritage and their differences. They demanded and they got laws passed so they will be treated equally but they new they were not white. A traditional marriage is between a male and a female. So a "new marriage" is between the same sex. It is different. No less valued and they deserve the same rights, but it is different.

Jerseyswamps-
WOW, that is the most convoluted, erroneous, pull-it-out-yer-butt, totally skewed, dumpster-load of a BS comment I've read around here in a long, long time.
And that's saying a LOT considering the comments on many of these threads...
LOL!!!
It's so ridiculous, it's almost funny... except it's so sad that you might actually believe that bull.

Jerseyswamps, I'm not even going to dignify that silliness with a response - other than to say:

"Take care, be well, and be happy in whatever reality you are living in"

I understand, toast. Your logic coming back at you can be frustrating. So you believe any minority of any kind wants to be treaded like a white, middle class straight person. I hear most people saying they want equal rights and privileges. It really is OK to be different. Nothing wrong with being black, disabled, gay, non English speaking, etc.

I think you are confusing a religious marriage ceremony with a state sanctioned civil marriage. As far as the govenment is concerned marriage is a civil legal contract. Marriages in this country do not have to have any religious ceremony to be legal. Did you not know that??? It goes back to a seperation between church and state. Churches are not being forced to accept ss marriage - it's a matter between the church and their members. Gay people want to get married for the same basic rights that straight people enjoy (there are a host of legal reasons) for example a gay person may not be allowed to see their partner in ICU even if they have been together 20 years because they are not a 'spouse'.

Being anti-religion doesn't make you an atheist.

Thank you Anthony. Good point. I'm "Anti-organized religion" and yet I am Spiritual myself; (Buddhist, actually). Once an individual's *personal* world of religion becomes an established "system" and insinuates itself into the secular world, I believe both worlds are headed for hell in a hand basket. Figuratively speaking, of course. ;-)

@lifelonginbrick - I am very well aware of that, but it did prove something to me (your response). Each of your posts look to call someone out on their level of intelligence. Some of us up here are pretty smart, believe it or not.

@Anthony - I didn't say that it did, however there were both types that commented above. I believe that I covered both of those in my post. I personally do not consider myself religious, but rather spiritual.

Really? ALL of my posts? My my you are a fragile hot house flower.... you know what I noticed? That you seem to be the only one that has any trouble with the 'tone' of my posts. If fact half of your responses to me seem to be just bitching about my tone rather than any intelligent response. Just curious where exactly in my post at 1:55 am I insulting you? or is it anyone that questions or challanges you at all that you have a problem with? Poor lamb.

Is ride164 your real name?

well said Diane, with so much ugliness and violence in the world it seems petty to stand in the way of two consenting adults who want to pledge their love and loyality to each other...

Thanks for that Diane, even though I'm no longer christian, my entire family is Catholic for many many generations... it's a big family- well over a hundred - and very very few (3? maybe 4?) harbor bible-thumping hard-line anti-gay sentiments. With that background, I try to remind myself not to throw all catholics or all christians in one boat.

The President was expressing his personal opinion not a campaign promise. He still asserted that he thinks this should be handled on a state not federal level. I don't know if I agree since I think this is a civil rights issue.

It's a federal issue because of DOMA. Same-sex couples who are currently legally married do not have their marriage recognized by the feds because of DOMA.

Can't file taxes jointly, don't get Social Security survivor benefits or the other 1000+ other benefits that opposite-sex couples get.

Get rid of DOMA (and we know that the Prez isn't defending it) it won't matter where a couple gets married, they will be married. Christie can do whatever he wants and all a couple would have to do is go to NY or any of the other states where same-sex marriage is legal and their marriage would be valid.

wharfrat: I agree, DOMA should go. I'm thinking since Obama spoke out about his personal opinion regarding same sex marriages, that hopefully DOMA getting thrown out is next...

Amen Anthony! So well put.

well said Anthony

Anthony it is more complicated than that. Actually it is a pain the the butt!

Yikes! that would be scary. Can you imagine?

Anthony, it is called selective quotation. The "holy rollers" (sorry but true) use the bible and its teachings for their own selfish reasons. Believe me I know oh too well, how they use the bible to justify what they are saying.

You could give 100 people the same passage from the bible and get 100 different means for the same passage.

The bible says just not lest ye be judged, but those who are ultra religious, doesnt think it applies to them. There is another interesting quote from the bible and that is "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Too bad a lot of these people do not even practice what they preach.

Of course they don't, BW, who has the time to look inward when there's SO MUCH judging to be done outwardly. People should just realize that when they point their finger, there's always 3 pointing back at them. I'm still waiting for the new translation of the bible, where it says "Love thy neighbor*" and the footnote at the bottom reads "*Unless they're gay". Also waiting for one straight person to let me know about when they chose to be straight. I'd hold my breath, but suicide will land me in hell.

Who is stopping you from expressing your views??? Or do you have a problem with anyone questioning your views???

No one is stopping you from expressing your views. That what is great about this country you can speak your min without fear of punishment or death.

The problem is those who are opposed, tend to resort to name calling and personal attacks, or the best is get up on their soap box and preach to the mulititudes, then walk away and call the same mulitude idiots and non believers.

It may not equal but it sure gives you the opportunity to put the spin against religion.
one thing is for sure,
Liberalism = SPIN

Only in the mind of an idiot is it an insult to call someone a Liberal, and to think they are being so profound that htye run around posting it in every comment, as if they are so smart with their "liberalism spin" retort that no one could possibly reply.

Its not an insult, we just dont like to pick on the less fortunate in terms of brain capacity.

Inflicting Liberalism??? Wow. So the belief in civil rights for ALL Americans not just straight people is just a "liberal" point of view to you??? I guess 50 years ago speaking out against Jim Crow laws and supporting mixed race marriage would have also been seen as inflicting "liberalism" to a bigot like you huh? BTW this may come as a shock to you but being called a liberal isn't an insult, rather just the opposite.

Seriously. Since when is calling someone a "liberal" the same as calling them a criminal, or a pervert or something? I'm PROUD to be a liberal.
Because to me, Liberal equates to THINKER, more than to any particular political party. There are liberal republicans you know. And there are conservative democrats as well. Vilifying one political leaning over another is silly. The world isn't black and white, and neither is politics.

I'm not gay, but I don't know one gay person that CHOSE to be gay (and I know a ton), nor have I ever met a straight person that could tell me when they chose to be straight. Still waiting

It is not a hate crime to disagree with someone and their beliefs, race, creed, gender, or anything else. However, it is wrong to deny someone the same basic rights that you have because they may have a different sexual orientation, skin color, religion, etc... Nobody is trying to "force" gay on anyone, but they're here, and in America "ALL men are created equal". So what gives you or anyone else opposing gay marriage the right to decide who is equal and thus gets the same basic civil rights as everyone else, and who does not? Homosexuals don't do anything that heterosexuals don't, they work, raise loving families, ride the bus, play sports, and have sex. Whomever they participate in these activities with is none of your business, and shouldn't be a basis to judge them or deny them their rights as human beings living in the United States of America.

WELL said Anthony. I wonder how many people the haters work with, play with, socialize with, are gay, and they dont even know it. I often wonder how these people would react if their son or daughter came home and said mom,dad, I am gay and want to marry my partner. I wonder how many of them would be evil enough to disown their own flesh and blood, and how many of them would execpt it.

The sad truth is, if their child came home and said that, most would deny them. Little do they know theyre actually doing that child a favor by removing their childs need to seek approval from their bigoted parents. I wish more kids would get this, but unfortunately they kill themselves before anyone has the chance to tell them their parents and their archaic beliefs are more morally bankrupt than what they claim homosexuals to be.

Hey everybody Part Timer learned a new word today...."liberalism". LMFAO

Care to define "liberalism" beyond the realm of everything that you don't like or agree with? It's so easy to try to categorize people and call them names; then you don't feel obligated to think or seek the truth inb an honest way.

Thats the Truth

What is wrong with tolerance, in your opinion. Tolerance makes the world a more peace place to live. Jesus Christ taught us to be tolerant of those who are different. So that must mean you believe Jesus was a "LIBERAL", RIGHT?

Wow what kind of small minded bigot do you have to be when "a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in moral, religious, or political matters" is a bad scary thing to you. You will be happy to learn this is my last response to you. Now that I see what your really about I don't think your comments are worth responding to.

Well said, BW. I feel that some so-called "Christians" are the least Christ-like. WWJD??

BW, just come out of the closet and admit it like the rest. Do not preach on me...
You say your a republican and that you WENT to church everyweek.. BUT NOW YOU DON'T? with all of this said, you should sit in a quiet place and think about who you really are, A CLOSET LIBERAL.
See a liberal always has a spin, you only used the first part of the definition(Liberal Spin) the other part was gradual reform in moral, religious, or political matters.(Liberalism)

Part timer, I am praying for you. I dont know how it must feel to be as angry and confused as you are.

Remember Jesus loves you and so do I! (even when you take a play right out of Obamas playbook and resort to name calling and personal attacks because I do not agree with you)

I am very confused. Does this mean I can not marry a guy ?

Your cousins husband was most likely gay the entire time, but because of people like you, was too scared to admit it. I highly doubt he told her he was "CHOOSING" to be gay. Id be willing to bet anything that that is something your brain cooked up to support your opinion since there are no scientific facts to do so.

No part timer, he wasnt choosing to be gay. For 20 years he was confused about his sexuality, and finally decided when the kids were old enough, he was going to come out of the closet. I bet you anything, your cousin knew for a very long time what was going on, and chose not to tell anyone, for fear of what friends an family might say or do and the impact it would have on the children.

NO ONE chooses to be gay or straight. That is done at conception, part of your DNA and chemical make up of your brain. People are BORN gay or straight, and how they choose to handle it is their choice, not the fact that they are gay or straight.

I bet you sent donations to Bachmans husband when he said he discovered a cure for being gay right?

The lord created man in his own image. God created all creatures on the earth, so my dear friend, God created gay people and straight people. Unless of course you dont believe in God.

you must be very old or very young and stupid.

Anthony, ever here of:
Bisexuality, is sexual behavior or an orientation involving physical or romantic attraction to males and females

Here is you Choice,
Bisexuality is sexual behavior or an orientation involving physical or romantic attraction to males and femalesWBelmarmom,

Perhaps you need to report this to the State Labor Board and any other office of authority to have this looked into . Maybe the EOEC would investigate your claims.
Just because there are injustices still in the work place, and the world in general, doesn't mean NOTHING should be done for anyone else at any time. Can't resolve issues unless they are brought to the attention of people who are paid to investigate and remedy them. Here's a link:

http://www.eeoc.gov/

Good Luck! (I mean that)

Today's Rasmussen:
Romney 50%
Obummer 43%
And Romney hasn't even had to attack his record...yet.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

LOL interesting link! ;-)

As others have pointed out, this is a very divisive issue, with the country pretty much split right down the middle. SO, the opposite could also be said... Obama is "risking" half of the country's votes, because they would rather he not make this decision. Risk taking, especially in politics, always cuts both ways. Obama did the right thing by upholding the notion of equality in civil rights. If that was done ONLY to win votes, who cares? You think presidents or any politician doesn't think about votes (both winning more or losing too many) whenever they do anything?

And the other thing is, if you recall, when he took office we were slam-dunked right in the hot mess middle of the worst recession since the Crash of '29.... I think there were more pressing issues to be tackled at that moment and for the first few years of his first term... if this was one of the first things he had done, I bet YOU would be one of the first people screaming how foolish and crazy that would have been considering the REAL troubles we had at the time. Admit it. You know it's true. :-)

Since you're repeating yourself for attention, I'll pander to you for the moment. :-)
I'm GLAD President Obama did the right thing about civil rights for gay people.... pandering or not. I don't care WHY he did it, it's the right thing to do.
I hope his next step is to pull out all our troops in Afghanistan, way sooner than originally promised- you know - to "pander" to Peaceniks amongst us! ;-) I hope Obama then "panders" to the Medical Marijuana advocates, and insists that federal raids and sanctions against states who approve of MM are ceased, immediately.
Then maybe he'll find time to "pander" to the poor and uninsured (jobless or not) and decide to once again set the gears in motion for a National health care system like the rest of the "free and modern" world has. I love pandering! It's what politicians are PAID to do!

You're only going to hear...... :::: crickets :::

Frankly lisa, because you comment/question comes off as someone scorned by a cheating husband. Sanctity in anything is based on choices. You fail to mention for comparison that you can pick up a newspaper on any give day and see the celebration of anniversaries of 30,40,50,60 years all of the time.

So your theory is that all conservatives are old and will be gone soon, so the liberals can rule without competition? WOW! Just WOW!

Hi Lisa, I don't think your going to get an intelligent answer anytime soon. Just a lot of deflection or nit picking about a phase you may have used. I have often asked for just one example from someone opposed to SS marriage how it would personally hurt them. How if the nice gay couple down the block got hitched their own marriage or life may suffer. You won't be surprised that I never get an answer back unless it's to call me a commie, socialist or quote a bible verse. Truth is they don't answer because they don't have an answer that wouldn't make them look like selfish a-hole bigots.

@Timeforachange, nope, never been married and am quite happy, don't think anyone who knows me would think i've ever been scorned either....so pick another part of my post...lmao....and my theory about the old right wings dying off, yeah its already happening or we wouldn't have made as many strides as we have and in another 5-10 years it won't even be a thought....personally, i never really cared if they called it marriage or civil unions..as long as i got the same rights however many of my friends both straight and gay feel strongly for the "marriage" part...so i support them too.

ha, good post. I am catholic but am thinking of switching over to the protestant religion as i was brought up with both and am wishing my mom would have let us kids make our own choices as the catholic church is not something that makes me proud....sorry way too many priests in the church under the guise of loving god when all they want are the alter boys....maybe the nuns become nuns for the fact they are all women and just maybe the catholic church is one big front for Gayness.

Lisa, very intelligent comment...

My theory about part timer is the problem a lot of today's extreme right wingers have. The world is changing. At some point in the next few decades whites will no longer be the majority, the younger generation will not hold being gay against anyone, our planet and resources will force greener lifestyles (even if you don't "belive" in global warming). I think it scares them. The world is changing and they just don't or can't adapt so they are kicking and screaming trying to move in reverse. It won't work of course but it won't stop them from trying to roll back reproductive rights, workplace rights, etc. It's kinda of sad and pathetic really.

I comprehend... you do not like listening to my religious right views but I have to listen to yours. I still think you are Leaning left... lol

Hero? Political prostitute is more like it; say anything to anyone to buy their vote!

Not ONCE did I say anything about Obummer nor his using this as a political ploy in his bid for re-election. I pray every day he gets defeated.

However, this subject IS a civil rights issue. The same type of issue as Brown VS the BOE, or Dr. Kings fight for blacks to have the same rights as whites. The gov't should have NO SAY in who you can or can not marry.

I have asked a question over and over, and no one ever answers, except to call me names or make a personal attack. That question is:
HOW IS GAY MARRIAGE GOING TO EFFECT YOUR MARRIAGE OR THE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR SPOUSE?? simple enough, yet no one will answer.

Opinionated:

I absolutely DID answer you- specifically. Scroll up a bit, I posted two comments in direct response to yours. Nice try, now stop whining and find another inconsequential nit-picking point to fixate on...

@Opinionated. Honestly I think you are asking a question that no one can really answer. Who here is a mind reader that can claim to know whats going on in someone else's head. I don't think any American president up till now really wants to wade into this issue. I mean no matter what you say you will piss off a large chunk of the population and what politican really wants to do that? We only have what the President said to go by which was that his view evolved from talking to people and personal experience. I accept that answer. This issue has been pushed to the forefront by a lot of factors helped along with the fact in the last 2-4 years the social acceptance of SS marriage has increased greatly if you look at people under 40 it has been accepted by large margins....which is why I think states like NC are freaking out and taking the extreme measures they are...they know that the next generation will probably make it legal and they want to throw up road blocks...and if according to one Senators wife ... "preserve the caucasion race"...

ahhh the slippery slope argument. Was waiting for that one.

So Mattie doesn’t think that polygamist and incest couples have the same rights how interesting and bigoted, and yes I firmly believe it's all unacceptable!

Polygamy and incest are illegal, homosexuality is not.

Yeah! and then cats will marry dogs and people can marry goats and I can finally marry that stack of cookies giving me the eye this morning....

And Anthony gay marriage is legal genius? You Liberal crusaders never stand up for the truly important things but bring up gay marriage and you all come out of the wood work to fight for the most non monogamous culture in the civilized world.

Mrgrumpass, maybe I should dumb it down for you, since you are apparently simple. Bigamy (more than one spouse) is A CRIME. Incest (sex with a relative) is A CRIME. Homosexuality (or same sex marriage) is NOT A CRIME. It varies state to state whether they will RECOGNIZE the marriage, but if a couple gets married in Massachusetts, they cannot be arrested for it in another state. Get it now. Mrdumbass?

Also, Mrgrumpass, what exactly about equal civil rights for all people isnt an important issue? And monogamy is a touchy subject, as opinions of it differ in Male and female gay couples. Many gay male couples ALLOW for outside sexual activity while still placing a huge value on love, honesty, trust, respect, and commitment. If there are no lies, if there is no betrayal, if neither partner is doing anything that violates the commitment he made to the other, then no one cheated and no one was cheated on. Meanwhile, it is estimated that roughly 30 to 60% of all married individuals (in the United States) will engage in infidelity at some point during their marriage (see, Buss and Shackelford for review of this research). And these numbers are probably on the conservative side, when you consider that close to half of all marriages end in divorce. So please, do some research before you post some nonsense.

Anthony why do condescending narcissist as your self find the need to dumb things down for the poor unenlightened common folks, and as for you surely undocumented 30% to 60% of normally married people are unfaithful, I would expect the numbers to be nearly doubled that in the gay community. I must sign off now but I will think of you as I evacuate my system. God be with you!

Undocumented? I provided you with the names of the researchers who proved this, but I'll go one step further, and do the Google search for you, as I'm not sure you have the brain capacity to remember names from one website to the next. Here you go;
http://www.google.com/search?q=buss+and+shackelford+infidelity+statistics&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

So where's your proof? Or are you just posting nonsense because you have no valid reason to deny civil rights to gays, only hatred, prejudice, and bigotry?

Eggsntoast, you say intelligent debate, without the name calling etc, but you only mention spewing the hateful FoxNews/Rush/Hannity rhetoric. Why didn't you mention MSNBC???
Just another Left twist, never telling the full story...

Im not really sure what youre getting at. What does an AIDs prevention drug have to do with same sex marriage? Are you saying we shouldnt let them get married because they might have AIDs and treating them costs money? Over 65% of Americans are obese, and theyre driving our rates up everyday, far far more than 1.2 million AIDs patients will. Why dont we stop letting fat people marry?

What is the connection between aids and same-sex marriage?
Looking forward to your reply.

BTW, as you are taken with links, here is one in memory of Ryan White:
http://ryan-white.memory-of.com/About.aspx

fat people getting married don't risk the chance of spreading a highly undesirable disease caused by their lifestyle.

if you think it's ok for homosexuals to have sex and keep the perpetual cycle of HIV moving, good for you. it's great that it will only cost $11-$14 THOUSAND a year, gee I wonder who will foot the the bill for those who can't afford it? Probably people who are oppose to that life style that who.

people are obese from an eating disorder and do not spread that on to others,even if they are feasting while having sex.

you get it now?

You still don't make sense. AIDS in not a gay only disease, it's spread by heterosexual mothers, drug addicts, etc... Obesity is MORE PREVALENT, costs the taxpayers FAR FAR MORE, is spreadable from parents to children, can be genetic, and overall is more expensive in every aspect than 10 years of AIDs medicine would be for all 1.2 million people with AIDS in the US. Please atleast try to make sense. There is no correlation between same sex marriage and AIDs, you just wanted a platform to spew your biased, uneducated, homophobic BS and made yourself look stupid in the process.

At the bottom of the email it says click here if you would like to stop getting updates on this article but I clicked on it and im still getting emails I have 200 emails about this article so far

Who got the country into these messes? It wasn't Obama. Also, your precious Governor Crisco hasn't helped the jobless rate either.

The president kept this country from going over a cliff despite not having ANY help or co-operation from the GOP who actually caused the mess in the first place. The econonmy and jobs HAS been steadly improving. Most adults who understood the what we were facing in 2008 never expected anyone to come in like Harry Potter with a wand and fix everthing instantly. I'm mystified by people that want to hand the reins fully back over to the GOP whos only plan is to do everything that got the country in the mess even harder, roll back any reform in healthcare before it even starts leaving millions of people out in the cold and who has fielded the WORST assortment of miscreants and incompentant boobs that I think I have ever seen them put up for President. I'm 45 years old and never would I have thought to see an audience of people boo a US serviceman or applaud a stageful of shmucks tripping over themselves over who can roll back and destroy enviornmental protections the fastest. The current GOP has become a shamful joke. When even f'ing Ronald Reagan wouldn't be able to get far in your party these days you know your F'ed.

That is the absolute truth. Even Ronald Reagan; the Republican *GOD* of the 20th Century, (according to republicans who still recite his name in awe), would have a hard time flying his flag within the Republican party now a days. The republican party has been hijacked by Right-Wing Extremists; people with control issues and religious fanaticism more like the Taliban than an American political party.
Reagan would be practically a left-wing socialist compared to them, now.
Who would have ever thought.....?

No Mattie this definition is a socialist not a liberal, your WRONG ON ALL ACCOUNTS! As was JFK!

Mr Grump ass, you are seriously deluded. You have my sympathies, really.

RE: Mattie 'How many times does this foul mouth "Proudnot2bliberal" lunatic have to be flagged?
When is someone going to purge this comment section of his hatred? Come on, Patch Editors... I know it's the weekend, but really." Your buddy eggs has said actualy vulgarities where your call for sensorship of him/ Oh thats right hes a commie like you

aHHH YES typical LIEberal shutdown anyone you dont agree with espically if they prove you wrong. So what have I said thats foul mouth calling big ears a marists commie? Calling far leftwinger idiots?

Proud, do you honestly expect people to take you seriously when you type out whatever that jibberish you call a sentence is? Seriously, how do you re-read what you "write" and at the end think "Yeah! I'm gonna call them an idiot!" with a straight face? Do you just not know how to spell correctly? I mean, there's typos, and then there's that trash that leaves your keyboard. There's an old saying that goes "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt". Perhaps you should just stop removing all doubt, because not one intelligent sentence has left your brain yet.

Proud2notblineral:

You said: "Your buddy eggs has said actualy vulgarities where your call for sensorship of him/ Oh thats right hes a commie like you
aHHH YES typical LIEberal shutdown anyone you dont agree with espically if they prove you wrong. So what have I said thats foul mouth calling big ears a marists commie? Calling far leftwinger idiots?"

Show me where anyone else - especially "eggsntoast" used any of the childish names, terms, or 'vulgarities' YOU've used over and over again, like:

* commie
* idiots
* devil worshipper
* LIEberal
* liar
* marxist
* Leftist Lamestream media
* socialist leftist commie
* moron
* Muslim 'killers or sympathizers'
* calling the president "Obammie the Commie", or calling him "Hussain"
* Calling non-Christians "atheists, godless, heathens, devil worshipers" etc

I'm also confused as to why your posts are not deleted. The editors are surely slipping.

CR:
what are you -- in 5th grade?? LOL
I think I'm going to 'throw in the towel' on this topic like eggsntoast did. There's no sense trying to talk to people who behave like middle school bullies - with the emotional outbursts and snotty language to match. Good luck everyone!

The definition of Bigot
Bigoted person ; especially: a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group
You call me bigot when I only stated several times that I don’t agree you all seem to fit the definition fare better then I. If you go back to my first contribution here there was no hate in it. Read them before you point out hatred.

Because Anthony, the 300+ comments were made by the same handful of fruity pebbles.

Thank you CR the same bed bugs keep talking down all others on this subject, they call us all sorts of names trying to belittle us for our opinion regarding same sex marriage, I for one will never condone same sex marriage. CR thanks, have a great week!

Wrong question..in fact, I didnt even ask a question about the comments, but thanks for the effort. Maybe tomorrow you can try tying your shoes and counting to ten. But right, only the people who arent hate filled bigots are posting. Nevermind that the combination of Proud2notb, Mrgrumpass, and Part Timer have contributed probably a quarter of those posts (not a witty remark or 3 braincells between them) on their own, while actually contributing nothing to the conversation but horribly constructed sentences and 3rd grade humor. While I may not have the best arguments or wittiest banter, its a far cry from their piss poor representation of the human race.

And "fruity pebbles"...wow....good job...

Marriage really isn't just about love and religion: it is also a contract recognized by the government. Civil unions are only recognized in the state in which they are performed. If you have a civil union in Vermont, it will not be recognized in a state like Arkansas, one that defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

One of the major differences between civil unions and marriage is that folks who have a civil union do not have the benefits or perks of the marriage. Since a marriage is a legal contract that joins two people, it means that they can receive tax breaks like filing a joint return. However, a couple in a civil union does not receive such benefits.

The lack of federal benefits can really make all the difference. For example, if a person's partner passes away, the other partner would not be able to take sick leave to care for their partner or receive survivor benefits through Social Security because the civil union is not looked upon in the same way as a marriage. Similarly, those with a civil union won't be able to place their partner on their health insurance but those who are married can.

"Separate but equal" was a failed and pernicious policy with regard to race; it will be a failed and pernicious policy with regard to sexual orientation.

Pandering for the gay vote. If the guy thought that five Apache Indians were undecided, he'd show up in a Tonto costume. Pitiful. Bad news for him is that the blackest counties in NC were unbelieveably in favor of the marriage amendment.
That's not a good sampling of things to come for old Barry.

Spooner the only real + for Romney is that he has a business background when he adds 2+2 it equals 4 when BHO adds 2+2 is seem to come out a in the minus area.