How far is too far when it comes to high school plays?
It may be a question the township's school board will eventually have to answer, after several parents railed against what they see as excess profanity and sexuality in student performances.
"We brought our second grade daughter to the high school play, and there was profanity bombing everywhere," said Robert Fraser, who added that he has a child involved in theater, and the attitude towards parents who take issue with the content of shows concerns him.
"It was offered that those who do not approve should stay home," he said, of Brick Township Memorial High School plays.
Brick Memorial High School drama teacher Joseph Stefanelli did not respond to a request from Brick Patch to be interviewed for this story.
But regardless of the teacher, or the school, some parents say they've had enough with content in school plays they feel is inappropriate.
"The problem that has come is that, as the years have evolved, it's a case of one-upmanship. People keep pushing the envelope," said Karyn Cusanelli, who said her daughter has participated in theater at Brick Memorial. "It's getting a little out of hand, and that's why people are coming forward now."
Board of Education President Sharon Kight said she's received calls from parents who were not comfortable with the content of some recent schools plays.
"They brought young children, they were sitting in the front row, and out and out, unnecessary profanity was used," said Kight. "I think the board needs to get more involved in the content of the plays. I was told that there were several young women who did not try out for plays because of the costumes that were picked. They were very uncomfortable wearing these costumes in public."
Not all parents take issue with edgy content in school plays, however.
"These are high school students," said Roberta Mascali. "I'm happy with the content, I'm happy with everything they've done. They're high school students. If you want to get high school students involved, you want young people to come out and see these plays. If you do plays that are going to be very young minded, you're not going to get these students out there."
Mascali said, and sources confirmed, that the school district cannot legally allow the content of a play to be changed when it is performed by students. Before a play is performed, the Board of Education enters into a somewhat complex agreement with a company that allows the students to use the script from the original performance of a play. Those contracts do not allow modifications to the script.
"They are high school kids, and they need to do high school aged shows," Mascali said.
But at least one parent voiced concern that performing a play with controversial content could alienate some students. Mary Tivenan said her daughter was "concerned about the plays she's in."
"I think plays should be edifying and educating," said Tivenan. "I think plays that exclude kids because of the material shouldn't be in public schools. It's not inclusive."
But while the role of the Board of Education, historically, has been to simply ratify the contract with the company providing the script for a play, board members could exercise some judgment calls as to which types of plays are appropriate for students, according to Robert Budesa, one of the attorneys who represents the school board.
"I think that this board has the ability to set standards as to what they think the content of a play should be," Budesa said. "I think the board should discuss it and come up with a policy. This board can definitely set parameters as to what can be produced and what cannot. Some may be difficult to chisel in stone, but there can be parameters."
As it stands now, which plays will be performed are generally decided by the school drama teacher with the approval of the building principal, according to Superintendent Walter Hrycenko. However in some instances, plays have been shut down by administrators. A performance of the play "Urinetown" was nixed, mainly because the administration felt advertising such a play on signs around town would not be well-received, Hrycenko said.
There's no word on how the matter will be handled from here on out, but even the most serious discussions don't end without some irony.
"Am I allowed to use profanity here?" asked resident Vic Fanelli of school board members following the discussion about the play.
"No," Kight answered.
"Well, according to what I heard, maybe we'd get more people here if we did," he said.
Vera Fozman
6:37 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Fahrenheit 451 taken to the Drama level?
Jerry Belle
6:52 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I guess we'll never get to see the Vagina Monologues will we? Or Urinetown? We try to teach our children about life and freedom of speech, and now they get to learn about censorship too. Censorship by the few. But, then It seems the few ruin it for the many most of the time. As for bringing younger children to the plays - do you bring them to movies that are rated PG13 or R? If your own child is in the play and you haven't a clue that profanity is part of the original script and you bring younger siblings to the play - you need more communication at the dining table before trying to impose your demands on the production; get a clue. Plays can be provocative that is why theater has been around for ages to stir the passions of the theater goer and the actors. How many times do you want to see a play like the King & I before you jump off a bridge?!
Bob Fraser
9:46 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Jerry, coincidentally, it was Urinetown that started this whole mess.
Mr Stephanelli @ BMHS was shot down when he wanted to do this, and the meeting he called in early December is what polarized these reactions. The School Board did acknowlege they unofficially shot down Urinetown, as they thought the signage round town reading URINETOWN AT BRICK MEMORIAL was a little provocative.
Side 1 wants zero restrictions on any productions
Side 2 wants review and approval by school board
Perhaps when someone suggests doing "Broke Back Mountain" or "The Crying Game" more people will realize there is ALWAYS a level of appropriateness, it just differs from person to person.
BytheC42
8:01 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
The problem is that's it's saying "okay" to kids to use this language and it's not. I'm no prude but, it's not necessary to use profanity in plays to keep 'em coming. If these sort of plays are going to continue then they should be rated on the boards around town that advertise these plays so that parents with younger children will know NOT to go. But allowing this language only makes me wonder.
tuna stick
9:04 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I've been to several Brick HS productions, and they are "top-notch" fior a high school level. Yes, there is profanity sometimes. Just like there is in real life, and by people of all walks of life. If you start to "clean up" the literary works they are producing, you're left with something less then remarkable. If the language offends you, then please do some homework before taking your children. But from my standpoint, "kudos" to the people in charge of putting on these shows at Brick HS. Excellent entertainment for a high school level.
Concerned Brick Citizen
9:43 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Get ready for a whole new generation of plays and musicals. I just saw “The Book of Mormon”. Which was by far one of the best I’ve seen on Broadway. While there was bad language the subject matter dealt with real issues in Africa. The outcome was a peaceful happy end. Printed on the tickets and in other places. “Parental Advisory: Explicit Language”. I saw this play with my 75 year old parents. My father is a retired pastor. Both don’t like bad language, but they loved the play. I don’t believe the theatre has a rating system similar to the movies, but I remember as a young teen seeing “Hair” which had nudity. It was my parents’ decision to take me and my brother. The theatre has evolved with the times and unfortunately in the movies and on TV explicit language, violence and sex has taken center stage. I bet there will be a rating system for plays in the near future. It is up to the parent to do research in advance regarding the play then they can figure out if they want to allow their child to participate or view the play.
TimeForChange
9:45 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Forget about the language for a minute. I think that there might be an even bigger issue with the costumes. I personally wouldn't want my daughter wearing some of the costumes that are the wardrobe for some of these plays. They are kids. Let's not forget that.
Megan Barlow
4:59 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
May I ask in what show the costumes were a problem? Because I think the costumes are quite lovely.
Bob Fraser
10:03 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Most people who have spoken on this issue generally look at their position as the "right" one. Many people opposed to my statements to the school board usually comment that there IS indeed a threshold for content, but that they are comfortable with what is being put on. Is this not them imposing their value system on me?
Am I wrong, if my level of comfort is lower than yours?
Am I wrong to suggest that behavior that would be punishable in public school class, is endorsed and acceptable on a public school stage?
Why is it wrong to ask the governing body of the school system to decide if they want R rated productions being part of the school curriculum?
Why are people so EAGER to shout CENSORSHIP!!, when all we did was ask the board to review, what some people feel was offensive material, and seek community approval, for what is STILL a community school system?
Profanity offends some, sexuality has been objected to by others, and some of the more religious among us were not happy about the use of the word "God" during a performance.
whatever your own personal level of tolerance, it must be agreed that this is a public school, and obviously contentious issues must be decided on by the interested portions of the community, not just one teacher, unilaterally.
All I called for, was for the community to decide as a group, through the school Board, rather than leave the decision to be made by one person, as it currently is done. this is NOT censorship.
clamdigger
11:38 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Hello Bob, well said.
betterdays
10:21 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Theater is ART. In addition to being beautiful, art can be, should be challenging, confrontational, compelling. It should not be watered down. These are HIGH SCHOOL students, soon to be adults, interested in the arts, and this is how their parents react to a performance? What are they going to do when they go to college, complain to the theater professor? Untie the apron strings people, there is a big wide world out there and your kid is going to be part of it soon. If they want a life in the theater, this is what it is. Just because your kid says, or hears, profanity in a performance doesn't mean it's OK to use it outside of the theater... that's a character saying that....I've heard and seen all kinds of things in plays and movies that I have never even considered saying or doing. That's a teaching moment, take advantage of it. BE A PARENT. Teach your kid the CONTEXT of these performances, don't try to water down the world for everyone else to make is safe for your special little snowflake. If you don't like what the public schools are doing, there are other options that might fit your worldview a bit better. But don't let your overprotective, helicopter parenting get in the way of everyone else's learning.
TimeForChange
10:37 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Then do it with a private company with private dollars. A public school is funded by the public's taxes, therefore what the majority of what the public wants is what should happen. That is democracy.
betterdays
10:43 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
A democracy is not always about doing what the majority wants, it's about doing what's right. That's why we have leaders in place who we entrust to make those decisions. There are times when decisions should NOT be left up to the majority.. for example, overturning slavery, allowing interracial marriages, giving women the right to vote... many of these things never would have happened if the majority voted. There are times when we let the experts/leaders make the decisions, and rightly so.
Bob Fraser
7:18 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
better days, you make my argument better than I can. The decision SHOULD be left to those with whom the responsibility lies.
the director, the school principal, and the school board, represent the chain of leadership I think should be guiding these decisions.
does it not seem odd to many that people would suggest we should put ALL of our trust in this matter in the directors hands, with NO accountability or supervision?
No one on "my side" of the discussion has ever said anything that sounds remotely like "ban it", or even "stop it", but only ask we all collectively look, and say, "Is what is going on here right?"
The heated debate here alone is evidence to the fact there are strong opinions on both sides of this matter.
This is PRECISELY why a school board is in place, and should provide guidance in this matter.
t mag
7:07 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Please get a dictionary or a civics lesson. We elect people to represent us. “giving women the right to vote” that was changed by a constitutional amendment, by the majority.
This should be a community decision. If the bar needs to be set to a standard that only allows G rated language and content. Then so be it.
Melissa Thomson
10:54 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
These plays are done after school hours, rehearsals are not during the school day, and no one is forcing anyone to be a part of the play or come to see it. And you pay admission to see the play. I do agree that some of the plays have had some questionable content, but when there are auditions, and performances, we do research to see the content and storyline. Private/public has nothing to do with it. These kids do all the work on their own time.
t mag
7:10 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
The money for the tickets goes to the school’s general fund. It is a school event.
Bob Fraser
8:38 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
the money to purchase the scripts comes from out tax dollars. Why should we not be allowed to voice our opinion on what they are spent on?
RealityCheck
11:20 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Sounds like a director resorting to shock value to hide his or her lack of creativity. Or maybe it is just a case of self-indulgence at the expense of the kids.
betterdays
11:29 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Yeah, that's exactly what playwrights like Neil Simon, Michael Stewart and Arthur Miller had in mind... shocking a bunch of parents from Brick, NJ to cover up for their lack of creativity. Such self-indulgence there! (By the way, directors don't write the plays, and if you read the article with any comprehension, you would see that the director is not, in fact, allowed to make any changes to the script.)
Lisa
11:26 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
It's entirely unnecessary to select productions with content that is inappropriate for all ages thinking that it's the only way to attract young people to the world of live theatre. Broadway is historically filled with exciting and entertaining plays and musical theatre that leave the profanity at the stage door. It seems whoever is selecting the productions is counting more on the edgy and controversial content of the show to bring in ticket sales, rather than the talent and hard work of the cast and crew to put on a top notch performance. Additionally, when a child performs in a school play, their whole family should have the opportunity to come and support them and to be exposed to school theatre. Why wouldn't you want to share the experience with younger siblings?! And why would you want to offend, or make uncomfortable, the parents who allowed the child to participate in the activity? Lack of support from the parents in a school community can put arts programs in danger. This administrator or program director is making BAD choices.
betterdays
11:43 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Please name these plays that the schools have put on that you find so offensive. I honestly want to know their titles, and what about them you find so incredibly offensive. I have been to several phenomenal performances at Brick Memorial and did not find any of them objectionable in the least. (I don't even have a student there, my kids are still in elementary school, and yes, I take them.)
Chris Burke
11:29 am on Thursday, December 22, 2011
This is beyond ridiculous. I challenge any one of these parents to put a microphone inside the helmet of one of the High School football players and see how that goes. It's not like they are getting shows and re-writing the script just so they can offend someone. The plays are art forms, art forms we are teaching our children. I assume these same parents take issue with high school students studying the statue of david?
Brokernj
1:39 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
You can please most of the people, most of the time, some of the people, some of the time, but none of the people all of the time.
t mag
7:17 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
So very true, on both sides of this issue
Lisa
1:49 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I don't know the titles, they never mention them in the article. I'm also keeping in mind that when I went to Memorial, we BEGGED our director to do Grease our senior year and the play had some dialog that was even too sexual for the TV censors at the time. Still, The Diary of Anne Frank was one of the most amazing HS productions I've ever seen and there was no worry of kids coming out half naked or tossing curses all over the stage. The cast was incredible and there wasn't a dry eye in the house. They have a HUGE pool of shows to select from - HUGE. I think the riskier, explicit stuff should be left to college, professional and community theatre. Then again, I guess some people could have gotten offended by Anne Frank too.
betterdays
1:59 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
So wait... you are defending censorship for performances and you don't even know what they ARE? Seriously? How do you even know it's edgy and controversial if you don't even know what works these parents are complaining about?
t mag
7:29 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Really Jenifer better, well beauty is in the eye of the eye of the beholder.
RENT, dicey subject matter to say the least, the drug aspect. Is it more serious then Nazis in Holland.
Bottom line, the kids will WANT to come out and preform no matter what the show. Nursery rhymes or David Mamet.
Chris Burke
2:35 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
10 bucks every single complaining parent lets their Fourteen year old go to R rated movies
t mag
7:21 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
How sanctimonious of you Chris
Rich Squires
3:31 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
As a BTHS Drama Club alummi,
We performed such plays as Of Mice snd Men, Cabaret, Greaose and other plays that had questionable content. We as a club with our Director, Mr Leon Marone, would engage in hour long debates as to why we wanted to do such plays and how they would make us grow in our endeavors as performers. This was back in the 80's folks.... we would also slip in "questionable gags" to liven things up and none of our parents or grandparents or people from the older generations had problems with our content of production...
The point being, when did this town that I grew up in and that I love with all my heart become full of "soft", "thin skinned", censors who are trying to control what the students can or can't perform.
The Classes of 1980-1985 performed plays with "profanity" and "questionable content"; we came out okay in the end 26 years later.... my message to those who feel that our children's generation are going to far in their production choices.... put on your big boy or big girl pants and grow up.... It's Performing Arts.
You guys need not have to have a tight grip on everything....
t mag
7:36 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Rich are you saying that you would not have done the shows if there wasn’t cursing or sexual content (I didn’t think so) It was a different time then.
But this is now. A discussion on what is appropriate or not for high school students if justifiable. The schools are always for more parent involvement. These are our kids. We need to be involved.
bths06
3:48 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
RIch, It is known as the millennial generation parents or as it was said before the "helicopter parents" these are the ones that want it all to be fair everyone to get a trophy for participating and are the ones that are doing their kids homework, and if they actually could go into a job interview with their child to make sure that their "baby" is ok and they were not hurt.
Justastudent
4:35 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Okay, I may be just a student in Brick, but I think that the content of our drama productions are perfectly appropriate. If we're allowed to sit in a required English class and discuss sex, sexuality, racism, religion, and so on then why can't the actors in our schools choose to partake in a production involving them? We have no choice but to take the classes, we can choose to participate in drama. And if the parents don't want younger siblings to see it, then don't take them. But I'm pretty sure your children have already been exposed to much worse both in real life and on television. The drama director at my school has a true passion for our drama club. He does everything within his power to make them shine and I think, instead of criticizing the productions chosen, you should appreciate that the students have the maturity to do a work such as that and that there is an adult willing to take the learning of theater outside the regular English classroom and let it be a hands on experience. Parents can't protect kids forever, high school students need to be preparing for college, and if they want to pursue acting they're going to need to do productions that are more than a Disney movie. This is the opportunity to do it with a mentor who cares and friends who can help.
Rich Squires
6:29 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Joe-
If you censor what the kids do...you are setting a bad precedence. CENSORSHIP does not promote growth or continued democracy. Fyi... Im betting you did worse as a teen yourself.
t mag
8:43 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Rich, there are limits everywhere. Most students aren’t 18 yet. That is an important line of demarcation. There are many laws that protect very young children. As older teenagers, high school students still need limits and structure. Not the same ones that elementary and middle school students have, but not the one for legal adults either.
It’s not censorship, it’s parenting and responsible education.
redheadfromjc
7:14 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Joe...thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking! Liberals like to throw around labels...crying censorship and name calling parents that are trying to raise their children with values..
Joan Kelly
8:26 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I am a involved parent of a child who is involved in BTHS drama. He works hard to give his best performace, practicing six days a week, He is also a straight A student and the president of theS.G.A. I attend all shows that are put on by both High schools. The directors are top notch. The shows are fantastic. I love the fact that these kids are doing something positive and not hanging at the plaza. I really need to question where this negativity has come from. I do have a good guess.
Bob Fraser
2:16 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Joan, i was invited to a meeting at BMHS by Mr. stephanelli, as he was looking for parental support at Decembers Board meeting He was disappointed the board "unofficially" denied his request to do Urinetown for spring musical. At the time the meeting began, I did not particularly care about this issue one way or the other.
By the end of the meeting, Mr. S had made clear he wanted opposing parents to stay home, and explicitly explained that children of parents who opposed his plans were not going to be welcome in his Drama Club.
I was motivated by his exclusionary position, and his clear threats of retribution against students to get involved.
I further honestly feel a school board should excercise some control over admittedly "edgy" content, so it does not cross over.
how do we expect our budding young artists to test limits if society/community doesn't impose any?
justanotherstudent
6:48 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Thank you so much for telling everyone how hard we work Mrs. Kelly. Everyone involved in these productions works so hard and we want to put on a good show because this is what we love to do. I know personally that I would rather be at Drama Club everyday then to be hanging out at the plaza. But there are many teens who would rather be at the plaza and we need high school related shows to gain more interest in the shows and Disney-fied shows aren't going to do that.
t mag
9:01 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Joan, no one is has said anything about the students performances or how hard they work or their dedication. This is a worthwhile endeavor.
I am disappointed that this discussion is so negative in nature. Peoples passion and emotions sometimes take them away. When you are talking about our kids this can easily happen.
Bob, Mr. S eluded to parents not coming to the board of ed meeting, but I could tell that it was meant in a joking manner. That meeting got heated and confrontational. Nothing gets solved at a meeting like that.
JustAnother, you have been doing those shows for a few years and those kids at eh plaza aren’t coming. Live theater is never going to attract some people. The issue of kids at the plaza is never going to be solved by putting on a show. You could organize a preview to do at the plaza the week end before your next show to see if you can get some of those folks to attend.
Bob Fraser
11:10 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
T-Mag, how was it you decided Mr. S was joking? He said, if you support me, come to the school board meeting. If you don't, stay home!. That was a pretty clear statement, and does not, and did not at the time, seem funny at all.
if you couple this with his announcement that night that he would not feel comfortable working with students whos parents disagreed with his positions/selections, it was pretty clear his opinion is we are either "with him, or against him".
Perhaps his idea of humor and mine differ too.
yeah, okay
8:45 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I'm really confused why someone would bring their 2nd grader to the play/musical that was clearly rated. I went to the most recent one and was told what it was rated. Also, the parents of the students should have been aware of the content if they bother speaking w/their kids. After the musical, I spoke with some parents who were "shocked" as they put it by some of the content. I was shocked by their reactions. If they think their children do not know about sex, drugs, etc., they are walking around with blinders. These are subjects our kids deal with daily and expressing it through arts is a normal thing. If you do not like it, send your kids to private school where you can control their enviroment. I have to be honest, I think quite a few of the parents had issues with the skit that was done for the film O. If there is one thing I can't stand is a racist who likes to cover it by saying "oh it's not really that" when it clearly is.
Bob Fraser
9:53 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
point of order:
there are no posted ratings or warnings on any of the productions in question.
t mag
9:07 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Did you actually say that we as parents and tax payers shouldn’t be involved in the standards of our PUBLIC schools.
Is the environment at the school not under control? Who is in charge, who is responsible.
I feel that you are very self indulgent and judgmental.
Bob Fraser
11:17 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
T-Mag, the only people in this issue so far ho have suggested parents get out of the discussion are:
Mr. Stephanelli, who did not want parents who merely questioned his judgement to attend school board meetings, and:
Jennifer Roebuck, who has told us on this forum that we as parents have far more important issues to attend to before we can address this issue, and as parents, we should trust entirely in the hired professionals in this matter.
Quotes available uopn request.
Rich Squires
9:02 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
These are the same parents who saw Animal House, Porky's, Stripes, and Blues Brothers as teenagers.....very hypocritical if you ask me....
These kids are doing something productive...And I agree its better than attending "pit parties", or hanging out at the Plaza....
@Joe- Jesus Christ Superstar was one of their past musicals... ;)
tracie
9:27 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I have a son that performed in Oklahoma & the King & I & many other productions of that nature. He also performed in BTHS show last year. I can tell you that he was by far more inspired to grow as a person & an actor ( to push himself to achieve & learn more about tolerance & patience than ever before) in that show more than all the others put together!I'm the very proud mother of a student who has been performing since he was 4 yrs old in both school productions (in the district) as well as community theater & is now a hs soph. He was asked to play a part that he would have never thought in a million years he could do & did it! If it weren't for some of these shows being chosen how on earth are we going to grow as people.Again chosen not written! Sadly, some people here can't afford to go to see the shows in NYC. That doesn't mean they can't have culture! Let's go folks realize that this is real life & if you don't believe it walk into a locker room, sit on a school bus, walk in the mall, turn on the tv, realize that the language you hear there is far worse! Sadly its not just on a HS bus! I don't condone foul language & have never used it in my house & didn't grow up hearing it, but that doesn't mean it isn't out there. I too have a younger child (elem). The bottom line is you as a parent have a right to bring your children to these shows however, you also have a right to choose not to bring them! Use common sense.Unsure of content... google it! The arts r just that art!
Meghan Kervick
10:55 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
um really? REALLY. really. must we all freak the hell out over this? who gives a poop. i mean REALLY. who gives a poop. IT IS THEATER. it is an art. think outside the box people. this is so stupid. I go to Brick Memorial and I am in the drama club as stage assistant manager and I really think everyone needs to take a step down. How the hell have our shows gone to far? You tell me. GO ahead and tell me. This entire article is ridiculous. Everyone needs to lay off. Theater is theater, do you people not understand that? I'm sure you dont. ALL shows have meanings to them. And the shows our GLORIOUS director picks are wonderful and beautifully directed. We put on amazing shows and have such talented actors and actresses and their talent deserves to be shown upon that stage. Not in some baby musical like Beauty and the Beast. That's elementary school poop. We are adult and mature high school students, some of us are eighteen! So I really do not understand the big deal/issue that we are all having. Is he dressing them in tube socks and bras, throwing them on stage and telling them to molest each other? Uh, no. Is he choosing something that goes against religion? No. Has he EVER gone to far? NO. He has not. We deserve to put on these musicals and plays. I am a senior and all of you are ruining my, and many others, last year. So suck it up and deal with it. We're a high school -->DRAMA<--, emphasis, club. Thank you. Have a great holiday.
clamdigger
11:55 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
Hello Meghan, this isn't the movie Footloose where dancing has been forbidden and you're going to dance you way into the hearts of the towns people, this is more involved than that.
Brick Resident
12:02 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
I see that you are not fully comprehending the situation. As a whole we understand its a theatre group... Apparently that fact hasn't been made at all through out the article. That point however is invalid. The purpose of this is beyond the productions itself, it is the process in which they are selected and approved. I am sorry to hear that we are ruining the school year of some ignorant slug of a senior but as it stands your opinion is rather worthless. Maybe come back and articulate what you want to express before you call it all "poop." As for your "glorious" director his actions at his parental meeting are uncalled for and unacceptable. I'm not sure what they have been telling you in school but maybe you should learn to garner your own opinion. If this is the way an Assistant Stage Manager wants to represent her club I wouldn't want anything to do with it. As for a show for babies thats not what the community is asking for. They, We, are asking for a say in the decision. I do recall the two most successful shows in BTMHS history were very fun and family friendly with extremely appropriate themes. A show like Rumors which is filled with obscenities (which can easily be replaced with strong yet less offensive words) isn't what a community school should be producing. This is High School. Not a College or Broadway production. The difference in content and control needs to be seen by both Mr. Stefanelli and those who are looking to support or oppose his stance in this matter.
Lori Morrison
1:03 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Brick Resident, How can we expect our children to show respect for their elders and people of authority when individuals like you are hiding behind a screen name telling a high school senior that she is an "ignorant slug of a senior" and saying her opinion is worthless. No, she is not comprehending the situation from your perspective because she is a teenager and you are supposed to be an adult! Read the response that clamdigger posted. He does not agree with the young lady, but he was respectful in his response.
concerned
2:08 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Brick Resident, why is a student's opinion worthless? These decisions made by the board are affecting the students directly. These are the ones who work onstage and backstage at these shows. Why wouldn't their opinions matter? Has anyone even addressed the fact that these students may have something to say in this. Just because someone may be a minor, does not mean that they shouldn't have a say in what goes on with their school's drama club. It is a student organization where STUDENTS participate, and STUDENTS work very hard on these shows.
And may I add that, if you read the article above, it states that the director nor the students may change or edit the script. It is illegal to change the content of the show. So no, it cannot be "replaced" with less offensive words.
Barnabees Apple
4:17 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
if this is how an "drama club stage assistant manager" acts when her opinions are challenged- brick hs students are in a lot of trouble when they reach the real world.
and by the way- referring to anything you dont agree with as "poop" shows your intelligence level.
anonymous
4:43 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Barnabees Apple, maybe you should stop criticizing students and their so-called "intelligence level." Stooping low to attack a high school student because you don't value their opinion. Maybe they are angry with people like you not giving them a voice. And maybe she used "poop" because as stated by the comments on here, other words would be inappropriate for their innocent minds and their strong morals...
Bob Fraser
4:59 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Concerned:
You would be best answered if you asked your question to Mr. Stephanelli, at BMHS> I asked the same question of him, and he was abundantly clear:
He was: Not interested in Student Body opinion
He was: Not Interested in Drama Club Exec Board input
He was: Not Interested in parental input.
He further explained that he would not feel comfortable keeping students in his organization who's parents objected to his Drama Club selections.
ASK YOURSELF: an Art Director, openly willing to "flick" students who's parents differed from him, is calling the shots?
Again, ALL I ask, is that the elected representative body review and approve his selections.
How wrong is that?
Megan Barlow
5:11 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Excuse me Mr. Fraser, but I think that you're taking Mr. Stefanelli's words way out of context. He can't take what every individual person wants into consideration because that would be absolute chaos. And honestly, if we were to ask all the students what they wanted, a greater deal of us would side with him on shows like Cabaret and Urinetown than other shows. In addition, Mr. Stefanelli not being interested in others' opinions is for the greater good of the club. It's impossible for him to make everyone happy. As for someone reviewing his selections, what is the school board for? If they blindly decide what plays they will or won't pay for, then you should have a problem with them, not with our director.
Brick Resident
8:25 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Megan Barlow, you seem to be confused by Mr. Frasers comment / opinion. As it would seem most on here are. It is not an issue of choosing one over the other or catering to anyone one group. It is the blatant neglect of proper conduct between a faculty member, his students, the community, and the board of education. Mr. Stefanelli seems to think it is in his right to not only have the final say (over the board of ed.) for his shows but to also pick and choose who should be allowed to join Drama club. A concerned parent like Mr. Fraser merely came forward to a meeting hosted by Mr. Stefanelli. In this meeting Mr. Stefanelli stated, all to clearly, in a fashion that is impossible to take out of context. He and I quote, "Does not feel comfortable working with students whose parents disagree with my position." It is hard to over look a comment that is a blatant attack against parents, who want nothing more than for their own children to enjoy drama club, and their students like them may be concerned about how the club is being run. To say that Mr. Stefanelli is in the wrong is not nearly enough. Is it fair that a man so full of himself should be allowed to completely domineer the choices of a club that is like a family to many students? If he had his way he would produce any show he deemed fit. Not the board. As well as have full power to remove a child whose parents disagree with him. That sounds like a wonderful director, teacher, and staff BMHS has right there.
justanotherstudent
8:39 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
@Brick Resident May I ask when this became a personal battle againist Mr. Stefanelli. I have been in the club for three years and Mr. Stefanelli has done wonders for me as a student and as an actor. Since I am a part of the Drama club Executive Board, I know that Mr. Stefanelli has always asked our opinions on things and will always make sure we enjoy the play we are preforming. Also, Mr. Stefanelli can not ever go above the school board and never has. We had two musicals denied this year, and once they were denied by the board we did not do anything with them. The shows were put away and though we were disappointed, it do not matter because we could not preform them. Mr. Stefanelli is a great teacher, director, and man and all of this should not be used to show a personal vengence towards him.
citizen
8:44 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
"He was: Not interested in Student Body opinion" This comment is completely baseless and invalid because weeks before our fall production of Rumors there was a body building competition that had a contract to use the auditorium and in that contract it said that they required a clear stage so our club was in the position where we would have to rip apart and take down the set (which we had been working on for over a month and was nailed to the stage) and rebuild it in two weeks, cancel our show or push the dates back two weeks and the first thing that Mr. Stefanelli did was to bring all the members of drama club together (cast and crew) and fully explain the situation and all the options available to us then after we were made aware he let us not only voice our concerns, but answered ALL questions and took into account the preferences of what we the STUDENT BODY wanted to do because he truly does understand that this is our club, our passion, our family, our home and our life and wants to make our experiences in it as beneficial, educational, and enjoyable as is humanly possible this is because he really and truly and deeply cares about his students and I would know since I have been involved in his productions my entire high school career (3 years, 5 hopefully soon to be 6 shows) and have taken multiple classes with him (both English and Theater)
bmhsstudent
8:50 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Brick Resident, I do not think that Megan is confused by anything that Mr. Fraser has stated. She is a very intelligent person who can clearly comprehend what has been said. I understand that you feel strongly about this issue but to take it so far as criticizing and attacking the work that Mr. Stefanelli has done for our drama club crosses the line in my opinion. How is he neglecting anyone's views? He organized a parents meeting to address the "drama" in drama club. This was not a selfish move. He cares about this club and the students involved. I feel personally offended by your sarcasm about the way he conducts this organization. We ARE a family in drama club but Mr. Stefanelli is not the one breaking it apart. He is only doing what any director would do in this situation: listen to everyone's views and try to work out something. How would you resolve this issue?
Also, Mr. Stefanelli has never stated that he would remove any student from this club. Anyone can join and anyone can audition. It is all up to the students and their families to decide whether or not they choose to participate. He is a wonderful director and teacher and I honestly can't find anything that could EVER change my mind about that.
Brick Resident
9:01 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
For all the students who are supporting Mr. Stefanelli and applaud him as a great director (I am not saying he is not competent in the field of directing or producing a show) may I pose a question to you? How many of you students were invited to his meeting involving Drama Club? Were you there and can you tell me personally that you can judge words you did not hear? Will you always believe the words your parents tell you most certainly when they support a man who I clearly heard with my own ears and you did not?
justanotherstudent
9:06 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
@Brick Resident, no I was not at this meeting but I am never saying that he did not say that but I have heard a few people say he did say that and a few that said he didn't. I can honestly get no straight answer so I don't really know. But I would be shocked if said this because he would never take someone out of drama club.
citizen
9:13 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Brick Resident you are clearly nothing more than a caring parent I mean it sincerly as a compliment from your post it is clear that you attended the parents meeting and that alone shows that you are not only interested in what your child does but are actively involved in it and on top of that you feel so strongly about it that you followed the issue to this acticle and expressed your opinion with the intent of making high school better for your child but honestly I could not disagree with you more Mr. Stefanelli's behavior through out this entire situation has been nothing but admirable (even if you disagree with his play choices) at that meeting he was attacked personally but did not try and attack back but merely defended himself and since that meeting that he called with the intention to resolve issues not start them or alinate parents and polarize the club he has repeatedly been attacked not only for his choices but for his character ("a man so full of himself") professionalism, teaching ability, and creativity and has stayed silent in the face of this onslaught of negitivity in an effort to neutilize the situation becaue any comment he made would only continue to fire people up.
citizen
9:14 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
As for him "completely domineer"ing the drama club where on Earth did you get such an idea he deals very little with the crewso thats hardly complete and as for domineering in rehearsals he encourages us to try what feels natural, or have our own interpretation of a scene and then offers guidance and direction which is his job as the director. By the way i really do not at all appreciate your sarcasm however even though it was not your intent it is completely true he is a wonderful director and teacher
t mag
9:48 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Meghan, Thank you for sharing your feelings and I understand about your Sr year being crumby because of this issue
To the adults who were at the meeting: It got polarized very quickly. Many speakers at the meeting were confrontational, to say the least. Mr S was confrontational also, but so would I if I had to take the verbal haranguing that he was getting.
In my opinion Rumors was not a good choice, neither was what BTHS did. There is plenty of good material out there that can be done.
To be fair, the musicals that were discussed are because of the talent that is currently in the school.
Megan, you weren’t at the meeting (thank God, to see the adults not playing well with each other) and good for you for standing up for Mr S.
The plays that have been chosen in the past have been good plays. We did another Neil Simon a few year ago, no cursing, I think rumors is the only one. Mr S picks the plays, no matter what he says he doesn’t do it in a vacuum. He works within a system. It is his job as the facility advisor to pick the plays. There should be a set of guide line set by the board.
I think we should speak in reasonable voices and understand that this is not an attempt to corrupt our children. Nor do I think that “pushing the envelope” is what a HS drama club should be about. There is a ton of quality acceptable shows to be performed out there.
Bob Fraser
11:36 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
@ Citizen: I will answer your question as I have answered other questions like this; GO ASK Mr Stephanelli: I am not making ANY of this up. At the meeting Mr. S called on or about 12/04, he was asked, (and I paraphrase):
Do you seek the students input? Answer: No. He cannot let every student dictate what show THEY want to star in. you might recognize this arguement from some of the other posts here. I agree with him on this issue. We NEVER let the inmates run the asylum.
Do you seek the Drama Club Board input? Answer: No. Why does the club HAVE an E-Board at all, then?
Lastly, and the question I have asked again, and again, and again, which everyone is reluctant to address, is the whole "I would be uncomfortable having your kids in my program if we disagree" with his content decisions comment.
Does kicking someone out of Drama Club because you disagree with their parents seem a little "OFF" to you? This IS what he said.
Maybe all the people yelling CENSORSHIP should look up BLACKBALLING before they get the soapbox out.
clamdigger
11:11 pm on Thursday, December 22, 2011
I can't wait until the step in "pushing the envelope" moves to the soft porn level, that ought to be interesting. Imagine the HS version of some of that, but I'm sure it will be OK since it's in the name of "art".
Theresa
12:30 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
As a performer and performance instructor myself, theater and the performing arts is more than entertainment for both audience and students. During the script run through and such rehearsals, it brings up questions and life lessons. In high school, many times theater is used as a supplemental educational tool. It gives the students the opportunity to learn and grow as citizens while doing something they enjoy. And truth is...the content kids learn in health class (specifically the sexual health ocurriculum), history, anatomy, English, ect is exactly what is being performed...just behind "closed doors." And yes, you "tax payers" are paying for their academic education as well. These helicopter parents really need to step back and let your children grow. The tighter your ropes, the more deviant or niave and clueless they'll be. Humans learn best through trial-and-error.
Theresa
12:34 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
And I'm sorry. If you tax payers want a say in what the drama directors choose to produce, start supporting school budgets, fundraisers and such. You can only have a say in so much. Worry about much bigger problems in your community first.
t mag
9:52 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
The education of our children is a big concern for us.
Don’t be sorry , we pay for it , then we have a say in it.
Theresa, do you have any children?
Theresa
1:55 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
No, I don't have any children, but I do pay taxes as well and have family in the school system. I understand your child's education is a big concern, but maybe you should worry about having enough textbooks, desks, and supplies for your children. Or maybe a sanitary bathroom. Or heat. Or a mold-free enviroment. I don't know about you, but I think that is a much bigger concern than what the schools are produce AFTER HOURS and BY CHOICE of its participants and viewers.
Bob Fraser
11:40 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Theresa,
why do you feel you are the one to regulate how much the rest of us can have a "say so" in?
What problems do you feel I should be MORE concerned about that my childrens education?
Theresa
12:10 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
I don't "regulate" how much say the "rest of you" have. That's what Brick's town goverment is for. I just felt this was a perfect opportunity and example to highlight that where concern is lacking in the education system of brick. Education should be your main concern, but where people put their time and energy into voicing their opinions is unbalanced. Like I posted previously, the unsanitary conditions of buildings, poor-conditioned textbooks and other educational materials, and lack of support from the community as a whole should have over 200 comments/concerns rather than high school drama. At least you do care about your kids..
Joseph Woolston Brick
12:40 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Reading these comments it's no wonder a bunch of my friends that think the same way as some of you, have their 30 year old still living at home in their basements with no job and playing Nintendo all day. Why don't we protect these kids until their 45 and retard them even more than society already does. I've started going to Broadway shows when I was around 13, I've seen and heard it all and I turned out OK. There was a production I saw that almost did freak me out and with a good reason, it was a production of Oh Calcutta in NYC on Broadway which had nudity, I saw it when I was 16 along with my girlfriend at the time. One of the stars was Bill Macy ( who played Maud's husband on Maud) when his robe came off and this 16 year old saw that 40+ year old body, I turned to my girlfriend and said "If I look like that at 40, please shoot me" of coarse me being me said it a little too loud and set of gales of laughter in the theater during a serious scene in the play. Looking back, that experience actually kept me pretty fit during my 40's. Now I'm not saying the high school should produce Oh Calcutta or Hair, but something that has a few words here and there, well just put a warning on the ticket, what's next? Can't do musicals because it might turn the kids gay?
t mag
10:01 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Joe, children grow up, that’s a fact. We can’t (and shouldn’t) stop it
I once the move Seven, a great movie. I never want to see it again and it should be rated X so no one under 18 see it. Still it was a great movie.
Rumors is not Simon’s bet play, is it? I think Cabaret is not a good HS musical.
Can’t we talk about that?
tuna stick
9:55 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
so....do you look like he did now that you are in your 40's?
Joseph Woolston Brick
11:31 am on Monday, December 26, 2011
Cabaret really? It's a fine musical. Seen it many times by different production companies. I see no problem doing it at a High School level. I think Hair can be done on a high school level, just leave the nude scene out, it does have some raw language in it, but nothing you don't hear in gym class! The nude scene wasn't really needed in the original Broadway production but it sold tickets didn't it! As far as seeing Maud's husband in the all together, yep it did effect that way I looked in my 40's as I definitely did not want to look like that. But it's only time before genetics and metabolism sets in, but I hoping to stave that off for a few more years.
Vicky Leta
1:01 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Hello There,
My name is Vicky and I am a 2010 alumni of Brick Memorial and of their drama club. I was Sally in "Me and My Girl" if any of you remember.
First of, I want to state that I know the people who's opinions are expressed in this article. They are lovely dedicated, and proactive to providing the best education for their children, and I understand where they are coming from. However, I do not agree with the opinions that the brick plays are too "over-the-top".
There is a whole subculture of Theatre unknown to the current population of wonderful, meaningful and moving pieces. The past play was a Neil Simon (which, honestly should have been a sign of what it contained) and for theatre students being involved in such a play is both an educational and exciting experience.
Unfortunately, many plays do contain profanity, sexuality and other more explicit themes. But I believe that the true meaning of the play can shine beyond it.
Yes they are high-school kids. But as someone who's acted alongside some of these kids, I have never seen an immature student act in a "Adult" role. The students are smart, and can see the art in the play. They come out of that performance with a whole new perspective, and wonderful memories with their friends.
And mister clamdigger- Porn is porn. Art is art. I know its a cliche but there is a difference I think you should try and discern. But what would I know, I'm only a Fine Arts Major with a minor in Musical Theatre. Just Saying.
clamdigger
12:42 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Hello Vicky,
If you are under the assumption that "porn is porn" and "art is art" you are a very naive young lady. For instance pole dancing is considered and art but I'll refrain from getting further into specifics because this is not the venue to go into the depth of the discussion it could take but as a Fine arts major you should know the difference between the levels of pornography and I'm quite surprised you could make the statement you did regarding that topic.
As parents and members of the community which pay the tax which run the schools and pay for the drama program, we should be allowed the opportunity to voice any concerns we have regarding the content.
clamdigger
12:43 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
No one is saying that drama needs to be shut down, the problem lies in the content which some people do not feel is appropriate for students to be using in a public display. People who have a child in the drama club,who are participating in a play may wish to bring a younger sibling to watch the older family member in their performance or there could be parents who wish to bring a young person to a local play before venturing into NY to see a Broadway show to see if a spark of interest may encourage a young person to enjoy the performing arts. There may be grandparents attending shows to see their grandchildren who do not approve of young people using language which is not appropriate for people of that age or even the content of the program may be viewed as inappropriate by an older generation. What HS students need to learn while school is there for them, it's not all about what they want and that concessions need to be made throughout life. That's part of being an adult and becoming an adult,learning that everything is not as you want it to be.
If there is a problem with the scripts and writers, new scripts should be acquired where the dialogue and content is geared toward the correct age.
Tina Certo
3:12 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
My daughter has been fortunate enough to have been involved in the drama program and productions at BMHS. I apologize for being ignorant, but is the content of every book an English teacher assigns reviewed by the Board of Education? If this was 25 years ago, when I was a student at BMHS, there were words that we would never hear on television, school, or at homes. Those simple times are gone. The choice is yours to bring your young child to these productions; it's not like the young childs class is going to see these productions. Google the play prior to going, do your research as a parent before purchasing that ticket, or for that fact, allowing your child to try out for the play. Give the drama teachers and principals some credit and let them continue with the way things are.
Lori Morrison
8:31 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Can someone please tell me what exactly the "profanity" words are?
Bob Fraser
10:27 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
lori,
There is no "George Carlins List of Dirty Words". The larger isssue being contested is a matter of supervision, and what the community COLLECTIVELY agrees should be presented in public schools.
Bob Fraser
3:19 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Good Afternoon, Ms. Roebuck,
Am I correct that you are mocking me for taking an interest in the direction of my childrens schooling? It seems a little bit of an extreme position for a teacher to take.
Why is everyone so upset that a question was asked?
Obviously, tallying everyones opinion on everything is ridiculous.
As much as it does not seem so, it appears you and I agree administration should be involved.
Maybe it might ruffle feathers, but sometimes parents want a say-so too. I don't think it'll be too long before people start correcting grammar and flaming about uncorrect speeling next....
Bob Fraser
11:49 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Ms. Roebuck,
I am patiently awaiting your response to my question. I have four daughters, currently spanning 2nd grade to 12th grade, and you are the VERY FIRST teacher throughout six schools they collectively attended throughout their ongoing education who EVER suggested a parent "leave things to the professionals" .
Bob Fraser
8:09 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Ms. Roebuck,
It may be I missed your responses to my questions:
Do you indeed feel parents should stay out of educational decisions, and leave things to the experts? I have been waiting patiently for you to elaborate on your opinion we as parents should defer......
RealityCheck
10:17 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
No, Lori, we cannot tell you because The Patch is a pro-censorship, anti-art, puritanical website that bans the use of profanity and squelches the ability for its readers to "grow." That Daniel Nee is such a helicopter editor!
Lori Morrison
10:49 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
RealityCheck, Once again, it is the hard working students that will lose out. There is so much going on in the classrooms on an educational level that would be considered inappropriate. Should kids be watching the movie Schindlers List in History class? This movie shows nudity, vulgar language and racism in its worst form. How about the book assignments for English? Health class? I personally have not attended a performance, so I cannot comment on the contend of the play, but I do know what my kids are doing in the classroom.
bths06
11:29 am on Friday, December 23, 2011
Brick Resident we do have a say on what is going on its called the school board. It is their job to approve plays that are being put on, shame on them for just approving the contract and letting it go on stage. If they were less concerned about football and more concerned for everything else maybe things would be different.
As for Joan Kelly, I totally agree something does seem fishy and I know where you were going with your last sentence.
Bob Fraser
2:51 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Bths06: i think you will find if you research this issue it is specifically NOT the case that the school board approves the plays.
As of right now, they only approve or decline to enter into contracts to puchase content.
That is the heart of the matter right there....
anonymous
4:04 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Bob, what you're saying really does not add up. The school board approves or denies what they will purchase but what is on their check list of what they will and will not purchase? You're saying they don't approve or disapprove yet they have shot down two musicals for BMHS. They are obviously judging these musicals and not purchasing them for some reason. Can you please explain? You seem to know a lot about how the board makes decisions.
t mag
10:14 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
anonymous: The cost of a musical play must hit a threshold and require a contract with the district. So the board has to approve the expense at a public meeting. Before a play is selected by the director, I believe that informally talk it over with the principal and possible some board members. It is not a hard and fast process.
You will have to go to a meeting and ask the board what they know about any thing that goes on inside the schools.
Bob Fraser
12:15 am on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Anonymous: I THINK, that this is new territory we are breaking in Brick. It is possible that content has never been an issue until now. As I understand it: Up until BMHS put in a req for payment to purchase the rights to perform "Urinetown", the issue over content has never made it to an executive level.
The Board, "unofficially" letting BMHS know they thought Urinetown was not an appropriate selection seems to be the start of the issue. It seems, BTHS did a show recently, which was to some opinions, a little scandalous. Mr. S of BMHS seemed upset by this. At the meeting I attended which he called, he stated his intentions to call out the Board at the December board meeting regarding Urinetown.
For reasons known to him, this confrontation did not happen.
FURTHER complicating the issue: it has been stated many times that it is illegal to alter a script, BUT:
many people here have stated this is INDEED done, and also, it is my understanding that not every performance the high schools perform are from CONTRACTED scripts, thereby excluding them from this liability.
I only mention as I have noted several statements where we are being lectured on the legality of a script as a contractual document, yet several posts later, it is clear changes ARE INDEED being made.
Another of my awkward questions: Why is it acceptable for the director to make changes to a script, but borderline Nazi-ism if a parent suggests the same?
Again, quote available on request.
Denny D
12:07 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
My daughter fell in love with theater and the stage. Her first "coach" was Jennifer Roebuck. When my daughter was in 8th grade she told us she wanted to attend the Performing Arts Academy in Lakehurst. She is in her senior year, has been accepted at a dozen universities and colleges for Fine Arts. In retrospect, going to PAA was a great choice. There is simply no nonsense by people who just like to hear themselves talk. Authorities on all subjects. "Self-styled intellects" aka boors.
Vicky Leta
2:07 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Lori,
To feed your curiosity: In my years in the Drama Club we have in the past said "damn", "Shit", "Bitch", "Bastard" and "Ass", only because they were in the plays. Such words have been apart of the artistic integrity of the show, and often characterize the particular role.
Megan Barlow
3:22 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Hi, I participated in Rumors this year as the character Claire, and I've been a part of drama club since my freshman year, and these have been the best times of my life. I understand that the content may seem questionable to some people, but to the people in the plays, it's a pleasure to be taken seriously. As a teen, no one listens to me, but being on stage and performing in shows that teach lessons to others, I finally feel like what I'm doing is important. And while younger people may be impressionable, being a character in a play does not affect who I am as a person. The content in these plays help us as students to understand the world, and to escape the roles we play in society now. That's the point of drama club; to help us grow up. Not to bring in revenue to the school board, and not to make other people proud of us, though those are both perks. I know I do this to feel proud of myself. I can slip into a different persona, one that is nothing like myself, and that is exactly what acting is supposed to be. And if we're going to try to choose plays that never use profanity, that never use the word God, that never address any kind of controversial issues, then I'm losing the reason I started acting in the first place. I know that may seem like a radical idea to accept, but I don't see any way to make everyone happy. You may be thinking about your younger children seeing it, but how about you try thinking about the kids who want to be a part of a mature club.
SWolf
3:35 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Okay people...this is rediculous. I am a junior at BTMHS and I am to become the technical manager for the drama club next year. In my opinion, the people who are making all these huge statements trying to take down and undermine the drama club and the material we chose to portray are sounding rather ignorant by this point. I understand that some parents are concerned that their children may be presented with an opportunity to try out for a play that they do not feel comfortable with. HERE'S THE DEAL FOLKS. Even though you think it should be a collective decision made on what should be performed THAT IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT HOW IT WORKS SO STOP LYING. My mother is the business administrator for a prminent school district and you people have no clue how this decision making process actually happens. There are a select number of people on the Board that make a decision that directly effects myself, as well as my friends and peers, so how is that collective and fair if we are the ones having to deal with the consequences of your ignorant and childish opinions. If you feel as though your children should not be exposed to such thematic elements.....suck it up and don't have them try out. Otherwise, stop ruinging other people's high school careers and starting all this garbage over something that should be enjoyable; the arts.
SWolf
3:35 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Do your own homework because it is not our job to warn you as to what a piece may contain. If you have so many reservations about content, check it out before hand and stop complaining after the fact. If you don't like it, remove yourself from the situation. we are nearly adults and it is a shame to see parents like most of you destroying something that so many people my age enjoy and grow as people doing. I CAN SAY THAT I PROUDLY SPEAK FOR MANY OF MY FRIENDS AND WE AS TEENAGERS, AS MUCH AS YOU PARENTS WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE OTHERWISE, HAVE OUR OWN MINDS AND BODIES AND WE ARE COMING TO AN AGE WHERE WE WILL, NOT CAN, BUT WILL MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS. GROW UP YOURSELVES FOR A CHANGE AND JUST KNOCK THE IGNORANCE AND BABYING ATTICTUDES TOWARDS US OFF. WE CAN HANDLE OURSELVES THANK YOU VERY MUCH
SWolf
3:41 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Jeez, people get me fired up. oh...and by the way....I am a straight A student in all AP and Honors classes in the top 3% of my class. So if someone who hides behind a screen name has the nerve to call ME a "slug of a student" or anything resembling a condescending remark or name, it just goes to show YOU cannot handle yourself and how you really have no class or dignity, which apparently you are "all about" when it comes to school plays. Get a life people, and stop tearing other people's down. And do me a favor, or should i say your kids a favor...LET THEM GROW UP.
Barnabees Apple
4:15 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
maybe you should pay more attention in class- your spelling is atrocious.
Megan Barlow
4:24 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
@Barnabees Apple
Maybe you should not insult a teenager. Maybe you should address her point of view instead. Maybe you should use a real name instead of hiding being a screenname. Because honestly, you're atrocious.
Barnabees Apple
5:47 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
how am i insulting? by pointing out grammar mistakes from someone who claims to be a "straight A student in all AP and Honors class in the top 3% of their grade''?
how am i atrocious? because i dont agree with you? name calling just proves that you are child who is in for a rude awakening when you graduate high school and enter the real world where not everyone is going to agree with you.
and i am not hiding behind a screen name- Barnabees Apple is my real name. is Megan Barlow your real name? because that sounds fake as well.
grow up sweetheart.
Megan Barlow
5:59 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Don't call me sweetheart. And yes, Megan Barlow is my real name; how that sounds fake to you I have no idea. You don't know the girl you are claiming has atrocious SPELLING, because you said spelling, not grammar. They're different, so maybe you should've paid more attention in school. And I'm not name calling because you "disagree" with me. In fact, you've said nothing to me. I'm defending someone who I know is in all honors and AP classes, and who is in the top 3 percent of our high school. And how dare you say that I'm in for a rude awakening when I enter the real world, because I'm sure I understand the real world more than you do. I, unlike you, understand that not everyone agrees with me. I simply called you atrocious because your actions and your words lead me to believe you have nothing better to do with your life than come on this article, not talk about the actual content of it, and insult someone's grammar.
t mag
10:58 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
SWolf you are not representing yourself well. Stop, collect your thoughts and express your thoughts clearly. You are a young adult and should have input and opinions on your life. Now, what happened when you talked over the lesson plans with your teachers? You do have a say in what they teach? What part of the book they skip or take longer to go over. NO you don’t. Well the choice of plays is similar situation.
Where is the difference between Rumors and Fools, both have stronger first acts, weak second acts, both are funny. Oh yea there is cursing in Rumors.
I want to make the point that there is plenty of good material out there that causes no issues. Was I offended by Rumors, no. Do I think that it was an approach choice, no.
Remember, if you want to be taken seriously, represent yourself seriously.
bths06
3:58 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Bob: you are right as it says in the article, "Before a play is performed, the Board of Education enters into a somewhat complex agreement with a company that allows the students to use the script from the original performance of a play. Those contracts do not allow modifications to the script."
But one would think a proactive BOE would do their research on what they are signing a contract to use the taxpayers money that voted them onto the board. If not I think we need to find board members who actually care about everything and not about little pet projects they want to see done.
To me that is the big picture in this whole thing in comes back to the BOE, why did it take a parent or parents to complain for something that you would think that they should have been doing all along, or at least that is what common sense has led me to believe.
Megan Barlow
4:22 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Oh, and as a side note, I don't know who these so called students are who don't want to participate because of costume choices. Mr. Stefanelli would never make one of his students or actors do or wear anything they were uncomfortable with, which is what makes him such a terrific director. I did not like my original costume for Rumors, and Mr. Stefanelli let me wear the dress that I wanted to wear, because despite what you people seem to believe, he really cares about his students. He is and always will be one of the best teachers I've ever had, and it kills me to see people attack him like this. Those of you who don't know him should not judge him. Isn't that what you've all tried to teach your "moral children"? It seems to me I have a better grasp on these morals than some of you.
Megan Barlow
4:31 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Yeah, I'd really like to know what female students didn't audition because of the costume choices. Honestly I think that if they didn't audition for that negotiable aspect, they don't have any dedication whatsoever, and they don't deserve to be a part of it.
t mag
10:40 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I think it was over at BTHS, Miss Litella
bmhsstudent
4:24 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I am a student at Brick Memorial who has participated in many shows with the Drama Club and I find it quite ridiculous that the opinions surrounding the choices of the shows has gone this far. I understand that parents are concerned about their children but can you really shelter your children forever? Your children attend a public school not a private school. They hear and see much worse in one day at school than any content ever performed in any of the shows done at BMHS. I truly did not find any content in Rumors to be unacceptable or inappropriate for mature actors from the ages of 14-18. I also realize that there was no rating listed on the advertisements but I don't feel that there needs to be rating either. We are a high school drama club and we should be performing shows that teach us something and that let us grow as actors. We have a wonderful theatre group in our town called the Brick CHILDREN'S Community Theatre. They have fabulous productions of children's shows. I encourage you to take your children to their performances if you don't deem our shows appropriate. We are mature actors, technical workers, and crew workers in high school and we deserve to perform shows that help us grow as individuals.
Doing productions of Disney musicals will not push the actors and will not teach anyone anything of value. I urge you to find a musical that you find appropriate for everyone and that will let the actors in the drama club grow as performers.
Charlie LaGala
6:01 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I agree with you megan, as a tech member, i really do not see what is wrong with those costumes. On top of that, all these parents who are saying that the choices for plays are too mature for us because of sexual references and language, i can guarantee your son and or daughter hears or says worse daily. I understand you are concerned, but you have to realize, we are about to become adults and you need to let go a little bit on your kids because your sheltering them too much and taking away form their high school drama club experience.
justanotherstudent
6:22 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
As someone who as participated in five shows, I can say that Mr. Stefanelli has done wonders for the club and has made me a better actor and person. He also prepared me for the real world, by giving me shows like Rumors and Bye Bye Birdie to be in. Every show we have done has real topics in them. Even It's A Wonderful Life is all about suicide, but it teaches a lesson. These shows that people are calling "inappropriate" teach us things we need to know for the future.
Also, as much as I would love to do a show that all families could go to, the point of a high school Drama Club, is to get high school students involved in the arts. We want our main audience to be high school students and no high school student is going to want to come see "Cinderella" or "Peter Pan" as much as I love those shows. I can't tell you how many people told me that they came and saw "12 Angry Jurors" or "Rumors" after seeing the commercials with fighting and yelling, because they interested them, not little kids
Also, why did nothing come out last year when Old Brick put on a production of RENT? The production was amazing and I have nothing against their Drama Club, but that is one of the most inappropriate shows out there. I feel like so many of these attacks are towards Mr. Stefanelli, who is an amazing director. He takes our ideas and always makes sure we are comfortable with what we are doing. He works hard to satisfy everyone and is a great director.
Kelly Conroy
6:31 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I must say, I am absolutely appalled with the way all of you are acting, parents and students alike. Calling students names? Bashing others for having their beliefs? How dare any of you act this way, when this is not a matter of right or wrong. This issue is completely based on the opinions of others. This is just terrible. If any of you don't agree with the way The Dram Club is being run, or don't agree with the shows we are doing, you can leave our club. No one is forcing your daughter or son to stay. I'm sorry to say that, but I will not take my drama family being torn apart because some parents have too big of mouths and are too opinionated. Also, Mr.Stefanelli would never do anything to hurt or offend anyone in his club. He cares about our opinions, but he can't make everyone happy. I'm glad to see those of you trying to reason, but it seems useless. Stop causing more drama for our drama club, please.
justanotherstudent
6:45 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Thank you Kelly. You are completely right.
BTHS Alumni '11
6:54 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Okay, this is absolute nonsense. I was involved in the BTHS Drama Department for my entire 4 years at Brick High. Our director, Jennifer Roebuck, is truly an inspiration to ALL of the students attending the high school. If she was given such boundaries as to only produce productions like Cinderella, Peter Pan, and Beauty & The Beast students not only would not want to participate, they would also not have the inspiration and guidance we all get from these productions year after year.
Recently, I attended BTHS's Fall Production of Screen To Stage; Jennifer Roebuck created this production. Here is an excerpt from the Director's Note:
“In choosing material for our 2011 fall production, I found myself stuck under a pile of scripts usually produced on high school stages. Though, well written and straight forward, none of the material seemed right. On the foot-heels of our previously pointed productions, it was important for me to choose material that reached out to my students, rather than choosing a play and having the student body fit the mold. I had to ask myself what I observed as a teacher and director in my current environment. The answer was almost immediately revealed. The absence and the presence of a parental figure in the lives of children directly affect them as students and as growing individuals.”
(Part One)
BTHS Alumni '11
6:56 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Part Two)
The absence of a parent…apparently that is extremely evident in Brick Township. If you, the parent, are not aware of the content of your son or daughter’s choice in: television shows, music, movies, language, etc. you are oblivious to the explicit content your child is exposed to. Our school productions are not half as risqué as the hit television show, “Jersey Shore” or the lyrics in #1 Recording Artist, Drake’s songs. Get a grip and use your judgment of these productions as a reality check.
Both, BTHS and BTMHS Drama Club students support each other’s productions. We both are faced with the disrespect and lack of support from the township’s budget funding. We are forced to work with non-working lights, curtains with holes (and ones that don’t close), and splintering stage floors. This is an ART, we live to perform, and truly would not want to if given a restraint of content.
Daniel
7:55 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Hi Folks
as a BTMHS alumni, i have been in 8 productions at the school, with the latter four under the direction of Mr. Stefanelli, and have held the position of Drama Club president for the 2009-2010 school year. I have never seen such controversy over the development and approval of a production and, quite frankly, it's very disturbing to see. In the time that I was an active member of the school's Drama Club, one could easily argue that there was something provocative or inappropriate within the script or overall context of each and every show. This is not at all a new concept, as I recall one or two people mentioning to me something that may have appeared "racy" or "inappropriate" in the show, yet it was appropriate because it was A) not at a level that one would deem as inappropriate for high school students, and B)not as important as the level of professionalism demonstrated by all members, cast and crew alike, of the Drama Club. In my opinion, considering a play inappropriate or "over-the-top" is an easy thing to do if you are looking for problems; one could argue the darkness of "It's A Wonderful Life", a time-honored family Christmas play and movie, with the attempted suicide of George Bailey. Every Disney play or film has its dark moments or over-arching themes that are COMPLETELY inappropriate for the audience they are marketed for. The point, though, is that these stories will have more mature themes than something, say, for an elementary production. (Cont'd)
Patricia Morrison
8:01 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Much has been written here regarding what was said and whether certain parents were excluded or students discouraged from auditions, this could not be further from the truth. A letter was distributed to ALL parents whose children are part of the BMHS Drama Club inviting them to attend a meeting with Mr. Stefanelli to discuss concerns and voice their opinions regarding show selection.
I attended this meeting and was shocked by the heated verbal attacks against Mr. Stefanelli regarding his show selection and his concern for the club and its members. Mr. Stefanelli cares deeply for his students and the quality of the shows they perform. This is most evident in the opinions voiced by current and former students in Brick Patch. Parents need to trust the maturity of their children and respect their opinions. Mr. Stefanelli should not be attacked for trying to help these dedicated students gain more experience in theatre arts. He is only trying to help them grow as actors and individuals who look forward to their futures in college, in their careers, and future endeavors in theatre.
Daniel
8:18 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
(Cont'd) In elementary school, I was taught that Christopher Columbus was the great discoverer of the West Indies,and, to a much broader extant, America. In high school, I learned that Columbus was not only completely oblivious to his discovery throughout his lifetime, but was also notorious for his brutality towards the natives he discovered on the islands. There are varying levels of censorship that are appropriate for different age groups and, because it is high school drama club that performs for high school students (as well as the general public), it will have some parts with a cheeky joke or a racy theme, but the idea that what has been presented is flat-out inappropriate is ridiculous. These plays are, for the most part, based on reality, and reality comes with darker themes and risque humor, and I feel that, if anything, Mr. Stefanelli has done an incredible job keeping it appropriate for high-school theater. Arguing that the high school productions should be appropriate for all ages is like arguing that all students in public school, from K-12, should learn at the same level. These plays don't appear to be "over-the-top" for other schools in the state (such as Arthur L. Johnson High School's production of "Cabaret" last March), so I am confused as to why this has become such a huge controversy
bmhsstudent
8:30 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Thank you for presenting some well thought out points, Daniel. The fact that you researched the shows and found that other schools have done shows that we were considering for our drama productions will help show that these shows are not so extreme. If other districts can accept shows that aren't exactly G-Rated, why can't we?
t mag
11:18 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
So we should do something because someone else does it? that is not a good reason.
I would like to see a set of guide line set up.
Some other people are turning this into a witch hunt of Mr Stefanelli, that is wrong. As director he has done a good job. Character attacks on him are out of place.
citizen
8:46 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I wish people could express their opinions calmly, rationally and intelligently and that others could refute it without ego or emotion, so that a constructive solution could be found because this is madness and is accomplishing nothing but spreading hate and dissidence which no one need this close to Christmas and is conducive neither to a discussion of art, moral standards, or anything relating to children
BMHS'11 Alumni
9:09 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
The problem isn't censorship or not. And it is not about people expressing their freedom of speech. The problem is the director of a public school telling the parents of drama club members that if the parents do not approve of the show their kid will not be welcomed. This is a public school where you cannot deny someone acceptance into a club because of a parents standpoint, view, or opinion.
justanotherstudent
9:16 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
If you are an Alumni, you were not at this meeting and do not know for sure what was said.
Elizabeth
10:36 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Thank you, I was at the meeting and the excluding message was pretty unmistakable. Message: If you don't like Mr. Stefanelli's choice of production, then tough. The concerns of parents appeared to just be an unnecessary nuisance.
justanotherstudent
11:20 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
@Elizabeth, I can't for sure what Mr. Stefanelli said, since I am a student and was not there but I have heard from multiple parents, including my own, that Mr. Stefanelli offered all parents to go to the board meeting and voice their opinion. I would also be shocked if Mr. Stefanelli ever said something about a kid not being welcome in a club. This club is opened to anyone and he would never stop someone from joining or ask them to leave.
Kelly Conroy
9:25 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
@justanotherstudent: Very good point. hearsay doesn't count. Only the parents have the right to speak about what was said at that meeting.
BMHS'11 Alumni
9:31 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Kelly Conroy, I can see what you mean. I was not at the meeting and neither were you. So as it would seem you also have no right to discuss the meeting. So we can disregard your opinion as well as mine.
justanothervoice
9:48 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
It is ridiculous that there are students on this thread, fighting, and alienating one another over their parents' concern. You are in high school, and I am sure some of you involved in this thread are seniors and are graduating this year. I am sure that the seniors are upset that this happening but you should not be rude to one another, especially if they are also in the club with you. Come the time next year, when you are graduates, you are probably going to look back at this and realize how ridiculous you are all sounding. Enjoy your high school career, you only get it once. You should not worry about an argument between your PARENTS and school officials, I understand your dilemma with your performance, but leave it to your parents, Mr. Stefanelli, and whatever the board decides. I am sure you will have a play to perform no matter what happens.
Vicky Leta
10:04 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Its not about the play, its about the students right to what play they are allowed to do.
And it is not ridiculous students are on this thread. I am an Alumni of two years and I am frustrated that people want to hinder the spectrum of roles and plays a student can perform.
So they should not worry about arguments between Parents and school officials? The students are the first affected in this issue. They have a right to speak with the "adults".
Megan Barlow
10:52 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
I would like to say that the students aren't the ones fighting with one another. If anything, we're being quite polite to one another. The adults are the ones exluding our opinions and calling us immature or insinuating that we're unable to comprehend what you all are saying. That is clearly not true. And I am trying to enjoy my high school career, but it's difficult when the club that I dedicate my entire life to is being split down the middle. I honestly just want to go back to a few years ago when people trusted Mr. Stefanelli to make the decisions that the director has been entrusted to make for years. Just because he believes he has that right and some parents disagree does not mean that this war has to explode. So, it's not a question of whether or not we'll have a play to perform. It's about whether or not I want to be a part of a club where every outside party that wants to interfere with our play is allowed to.
justanotherstudent
11:23 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
This is our club, as much as the parents want to be apart of it, which I am all for, we are going to be adults, most of us graduating in less than two years. As people who are soon to be adults, we need to learn to fight our own battles. Everyone on this has brought up good points, but this is our club and we need to fight for what we believe in and protect our club and as Velma Hart said we have a right to do this.
t mag
11:40 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
Might I point out that students have very little rights, No privacy, their lockers belong to the school and may be searched at any time, and your cars for that matter. No freedom of speech, careful of what you post on FB the school is watching. There is a dress code (kind of), heck it hard to get to the bathrooms
I understand the desire to choose your creative outlets. It doesn’t work that way. You want to push it, good, that is something that is expected and somewhat encouraged for young adults. I would like to see a safe creative open environment where all are welcomed and none (few) are offended.
t mag
11:39 pm on Friday, December 23, 2011
The drama directors are employees of the district. The district was established to provide the opportunity of an education to all. There are standards and rules for that cover almost everything in the school system that everyone must follow. Restricting the plays to PG I do not believe will thwart any education, growth or creativity.
Personal attacks and witch hunts should not be tolerated by anyone. This is not the children’s hour, it is real life. No child has been corrupted by being involved in the plays or attending Brick schools. Lets keep it that way
Kathy Vazquez
12:13 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
This should have been done one on one with the teacher if it upset you so much.Not in a public forum. Not hiding behind a computer. No one is right in this. It is very wrong. My daughter is a senior at BMHS. She is involved in drama and I couldn't be prouder of her. Here is a reality check for all of you complaining. NO ONE is putting a gun to your kids head.They DO NOT have to be in the High School play, they DO NOT have to be in the crew to help in the play, they DO NOT have to even go see the play, and neither do all the nay sayers.That is the amazing thing about America. I can't believe you are complaning about plays when there is far worse on t.v. and in the movies.They know more at this age then we did when we were there age. I am glad my daughter belongs to a group of people that care about each other. Aren't we forgetting about that? Our kids are in theatre working their butts off to put on a great play. They work hard for themselves and for us. It makes them proud of themselves, and how dare you nay sayers take that from them. Are you trying to ruin these kids memories of their senior year? I assure you I won't let you do it to my daughter. She has come a long way and if she is in the musical in April I assure you I will be sitting in the front row with her 4 year old sister cheering her on all the way, and so will all her family members. Merry Christmas to all of you and try to remember what that means.
t mag
8:34 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
We have no control over TV programing, just what we watch. This is our community and we do have input. This process of name calling and arguing is non-productive. There should be a standard. There is a line, or next year it’s American Buffalo in the fall and Old Calcutta for the spring. I making a point, I don’t think that those two plays would ever be considered.
tuna stick
10:10 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Kathy, the fact that you are a parent of a member of the Drama Club, and "couldn't be prouder" says it all. Of all the words being bantered back and forth on this issue, that should stand out as what is meaningful here.
Merry Christmas to you and your family. Please tell your daughter to keep up the good work! I'm looking forward to next great show.
Megan Barlow
10:16 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
There is a standard. We could have chosen a much worse play to do. As it is, Mr. Stefanelli finagled the words of the script in Rumors so one of the actors' mothers wouldn't be offended by his use of the phrase "god damn". And, might I remind you that Rumors was a last minute choice because Boeing Boeing! was the initial choice of the fall drama. I like to believe that the people in this community would accept these few faults in the plays because the students in them do such an amazing job of bringing them to life. It's because of the material we cover that we're so enthusiastic. I'm not trying to say that Mr. Stefanelli shouldn't have anyone review his choices, I just want to say that I trust his point of view, and a lot of people think his choices are perfectly appropriate for high school students. So, insinuating that the plays are going to get racier and racier if no one steps in to stop it is really sad, because that's not the kind of people the directors are. Mr. Stefanelli and Mrs. Roebuck have standards as directors, as teachers, and as people.
Ryan
1:31 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
The responses and comments that have been made on this article are truly heartbreaking. I am speaking as a current 4 year member of Memorial's Drama Club, salutatorian of my senior class, Student Government President, and Vice President on the Drama Club executive board. As a representative of nearly every party attempted to be spoken for save for parent, I cannot fathom why or how we have reached this point. The arguments have degenerated from parental concerns over the content and approval of school productions to personal character attacks on the director himself. Having participated greatly in every production in my high school career, I have not once witnessed nor been a part of any inappropriate content. Every play I've been a part of, Fools, Pippin, It's a Wonderful Life, Bye Bye Birdie, Rumors and beyond, have had varying levels of mature content. But not once could it ever be called into question that the mature lines or lessons or themes were inappropriate for our age level, out of place or used for any sensational effect. Every line, every action that we perform is done fully comfortable and under full consent, the actor fully understanding the motivation behind it. We learn from these actions, grow, experience and prepare for situations that occur very often in our soon-to-be life. Not once during these productions has any choice's integrity been called into question, because we understood and were just as mature as any material being performed.
Ryan
1:32 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Yes, the parents that argue that this is a community funded production are correct. But they repeatedly neglect the fact that these are performances taking place in an educational facility at a high school level. I and every other member of the drama club may join with a desire to perform or tech, but we stay because of a desire to learn, whether it be how to build a set, run a show, or how to respond and act in different situations in life. We grow as a community, through these works that challenge us to progress as individuals at an appropriate level for our age, but are still commonplace in our everyday lives. While these performances can and should be performed for and viewed by the community, the purpose is not to provide mindless entertainment. Our purpose is to learn and grow through these plays, and if that means that we should be analyzing materials suitable for our age and not that of a 2nd grader, our education takes precedence. We are not asked to study at a 2nd grade level in class, why should in be any different in performing? However, I must reinforce again that every piece of material we have encountered has always been appropriate for our age level. I have read every single play through and through. If you have doubts, read them as well.
Ryan
1:32 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
As for the personal attacks on the Drama director, in addition to being wildly inappropriate and having no place in this conflict, they are also completely unfounded. Any student or parent that has been however minutely involved in Memorial’s drama club could easily tell how much care and consideration our director gives to his students. Every piece of blocking performed, every line reading is the result of a communicative, committed, considerate director who cares about our comfort level and what we are learning. It is clearly evident to those involved that his heart is truly committed to teaching the most he can to his students. I began high school an introverted, unmotivated, shy freshman. I am leaving an ambitious, curious, compassionate young adult, in great part to the lessons taught to me through my director and mentor in theatre. I feel as though I have turned out all right, as have all of my fellow members of Drama Club.
t mag
8:53 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Shy?
The personal attacks are wrong. The director is doing a good job and his character is fine.
You are intelligent. The language in Rumors and Screen to Stage (I did not see it, and we won’t mention RENT) is completely acceptable? Adult subject matter is fine if dealt with in a tasteful manner. Why was there no cursing in Fools? Was it not as funny? Did it not deal with life issues?
There are a lot of pusillanimous posts, but there are a lot of thoughtful ones also. This is a new process and that may make it messy. I hope we all come out the better for participating
Tina Certo
4:22 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
I did not attend the BMHS Drama Club parents meeting, nor did I attend the Board of Education meeting where this topic was addressed. But, in reading through these posts and rereading the article, it seems that the issue isn't so much the profanity and the content, as it is "the attitude towards parents who take issue with the content of shows concerns him." Mr. Stefanelli's take it or leave it "attitude" basically pissed some parents off is my guess. I have another child who is involved in sports; you think Mr. Stefanelli's "tough" is bad, sit in a hs football meeting. Your head would spin. I have learned through years of volunteering, you can't please everyone; and you are bound to piss someone off by a decision you made, or were part of. I'm sure the Board of Education must deal with hundreds of people who have an issue with something in the schools, don't tie up their time by getting them more involved in content approval; leave that for the drama teacher and the principal. Between Mr. Stefanelli and Dr. Caldes, I'm sure they are more than qualified to say what is appropriate for high school students.
Kaitlyn
9:52 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
To all the nay sayers, Mr. Stefanelli DOES NOT have to do any shows if he does not want to. He does them because he cares about us as students. Knowing from experience, having "drama club" on a college resume is a big deal, so if there were no plays, how would your children be getting into colleges without extra carricular activities? That is the first thing most colleges look at. Most of these kids would not be in ANY club if they were not in drama club. You should be thankful that there is a club that will except everyone, no matter what religion, race, color, sexual orientation, ect. Drama club is a place where most of us feel safe. Do not take this away from us. There are more important things in this world that you should be focused on. It is Christmas Eve! Can't we all just get over it and get along for your childrens sake!? What happens five years from now when we all look back at our senior year(even freshman are being affected by this!) and all we remember is this! It is not fair! Please, do not take away all the great memories we have made as a family. If you do not agree with desicions made, then just please, don't come to the shows and keep the peace. We work extremely hard and all our talent and hard work would just go to waste.This program is the best thing that has happened to me and probably most of the students, so please, stop this. I didn't want to get involved, but too many people, the people I love, my friends, my "family", are getting hurt.
clamdigger
10:34 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Hello Kaitlyn, This article is not about taking anything away from the drama club. Nobody has come out and said all productions should stop, that there should no longer be any plays performed.
The issue is the content and dialogue which many feel is not appropriate for a public play. These plays should be family oriented,good fun for all ages.
While I am not one who is opposed to foul language and have been noted for a "colorful" vocabulary, the dialogue and content in the script should be geared toward the general audience, who are mainly parents,siblings,the general public and students. I do not believe that the use of certain words is oh so necessary to the context of a play or omitting certain words would have a negative impact on the performance, it may even enhance it,especially for those who are familiar with an original work. Again I have to say NOBODY IS LOOKING TO SHUT DOWN THE DRAMA CLUB, the issue at hand is the content in the scripts.
If students cannot walk through school or participate in class cursing and swearing, those same guidelines should be followed in any school production.
As for the asking people to not come your shows, be careful of what you wish for, for that is a double edge sword,it can cut both ways. There needs to be a compromise made and I hope all those involved will enter into it w/ open minds and come to a decision which is beneficial to all involved.
Alice Zumbo
10:57 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
clamdigger, students ARE allowed to curse in the hallways and teachers curse in the classrooms. Don't forget, there are local theaters that put on good wholesome plays. BCCT, The Algonquin Theatre, Count Bassie. Just this summer, The Springlake Theatre did an excellent production of The Sound of Music.
justanotherstudent
10:44 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
No one seems to remember "that the school district cannot legally allow the content of a play to be changed when it is performed by students." we can not change the script in anyway which means we can elimate any language that may offend people. That is illegal.
clamdigger
10:57 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Then scripts need to be chosen that are geared accordingly. If there are copyright issues with the writers and scripts, it's part of the issue which needs to be discussed as I mentioned in my previous post.
Also I think it's excellent there are students using the Patch to read and voice their opinions, this is a venue to do such things with some diplomacy and understanding the thoughts and concerns of not only themselves but the public as well.
Megan Barlow
10:51 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
But we aren't swearing or cursing as students. We're cursing and swearing as characters. The characters in our books in English class curse, so should we remove all literature that has mature content? That is censorship. And if the high school has to resort to plays with no questionable content, there may not be any students to perform in them. As it is, we have to choose plays based on the number of men who are willing to audition. Who's to say the pool of people auditioning isn't going to shrink if we choose a child's play? As I've said before, you cannot please everyone, and why the parent's wants any more prevalent than the students? We are the ones that have to put our blood sweat and tears into these performances. I spent three months, four-five days a week, two to three hours extra in school to be in Rumors. I don't know if I'd dedicate that amount of time to a play that was for children.
clamdigger
11:13 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Hello Megan, while it is one thing to read a book in class (presumably) to yourself and maybe read excerpts from the book out loud and discuss that book or books, it's another issue to put on a public show that displays questionable content. I do not believe in censorship and it is my opinion this is not censorship. I do not approve of movies or TV shows which child actors are in and have lines using foul language.
There is a reason why movies are edited for TV even though they are still rated as PG or PG-13, they are edited for content which may not be appropriate for all viewers.
As for your statement of "I don't know if I'd dedicate that amount of time to a play that was for children", is rather disappointling to hear. I was under the impression it's not about the play itself but the chance to perform as an actor/actress.
Megan Barlow
11:27 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
You obviously don't understand what being an actress is about if you think my statement is sad. OF COURSE it's about the play. While acting is a great thing, it's the message of the plays that I do that really stick with me. A poorly written play isn't going to be the same as a greatly written play. And what would be different about performing Catcher in the Rye, with it's language, and reading it? I believe them to be the same. As for television, ABC Family movie programs have used the words "shit", "bitch", and "hell". And even "whore". And that's after editing. That makes up most of the "profane" words that were in Rumors. A PG-13 movie is allowed to use the f word one time. So are we not old enough for a PG-13 play? An incoming freshman is at least 13. So, if you're going to impose guidelines, tell me exactly where the line is to be drawn. Do we have to perform Winnie the Pooh to avoid being inappropriate? It's hardly easy to write rules for such an ambiguous art.
clamdigger
11:27 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Also I'd like to add that is has alsways been my impressiont hat HS Drama was to be used as a stepping stone or an introduction for those who may be interested in becoming actors/actresses, stagehands, lighting or cinamatography. I have always thought of this as a venue to get use to the spotlight, gain experience in self confidence and use this as an opportunity to enjoy working and learning the complex nature of large scale productions.
clamdigger
11:42 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Hi Megan, that is an excellent argument regarding the use of language on TV which I find inappropriate for regular television and I understand you rside of the discussion,at one time I was young,rebellious and wanted things my own way w/o the interference of "adults" so I understand where you are coming from more than you amy think I do. Unfortunately as time has gone on I have come to realize what I wanted and my opinions were not the only ones out there in the world and my radical ways of youth were the ones which were incorrect.
I am not saying you are incorrect for wanting things the way you feel they should be and that your beliefs are wrong, you should stand by your convictions, but you need to understand the complex nature that this is involving. It may be common place for language nad other content to be perfectly acceptable to you now as a young adult, but there is a time and place for it and in a public performance that is presented and approved by the school is not the place for it.
Megan Barlow
11:54 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
I like how you gave an anedotal example of how you were wrong as a teenager, and then said that you weren't saying I was wrong. . . Very sneaky of you! But I know you think I'm a rebellious teenager. But I'm not. In fact, I understand the complexity of the situation, which is why I think it's ridiculous you think that guidelines should be written, when the situation is so complex. And that is why I asked you to explain to me what kind of guidelines there should be. If you start writing rules for one thing, then where do you draw the line? Are you going to have a list of topics that should or shouldn't be discussed in the theater? The matter is far too complex to write rules for. As for me being "rebellious", I most certainly am not. I listen to what my parents have to say, and what my teachers have to say, because I respect them. But I'm not going to listen to what you tell me to do because you haven't given me a reason to respect you. I strongly believe that respect is earned. And, I've allowed my mother to read the arguments on here, and she sides with me. She thinks that this is absolutely ridiculous in fact. So, don't condescend to tell me that my "radical ways of youth" are wrong. Just because I'm younger than you doesn't mean my views are any less developed.
clamdigger
1:23 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Hello Megan, thanks for the response, this had been an excellent discussion except I guess you missed the guidelines which I believe should be followed. Again I'll say there is a time and place for certain language and content and a school play is not the appropriate stage for it.
It is not for me personally to determine the correct guidelines, as an adult,as a taxpayer who believes I should be allowed to voice an opinion, I have to say that language and content which is not suitable for all ages should be excluded. This is why we have a BOE.
The rating system IMO should be applied and kept to a PG standard, I hope that is a clear enough example.
Unfortunately you have taken my comments and misconstrued them as a personal attack and feel as though I've been condescending toward you,which shows you are still too young to really grasp the issue at hand and fully understand how adiscussion works. You sound like an intelligent young person and I wish you good luck in your endeavors. Best wishes toward your future and as I said previously stand by your convictions.
Merry Christmas
SWolf
11:12 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Barnabees Apple: I sincerely apologize if my flustered and energetic state yesterday caused me to write grammatically incorrect statements. However, when people, especially other people who, I might add, have no right to get involved here, or parents of other people who take to attacking teeneagers for something they believe in, it is natural for me to become aggressive. In such a time, my mind is not necessarily concerned with grammar. However, I simply want to say that the last thing I want is for this to cause a riff in my school and my drama club. I am simply stating that I know we stand together and I will fight for what I believe in, just as you will. These students are here to put on dramas, not start them. It just pains me to know that people insist on attacking one of the few things I care about so much. High school is not an easy environment these days, as much as parents or adults may wish to argue that. Things have changed a lot over the past few years. I blatantly must say that it hurts to know people have such a problem with a club that helps students escape all this and grow as people. I know I am not alone. I appreciate your side of the argument, I really do. I do not however, appreciate people talking down about my peers. So, for the record, I understand your argument, I just do not agree with it. Next time, you should try to start a civil argument without tossing accusations and harsh words around first. I am not a fighter, but I will fight for what I love.
SWolf
11:48 am on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Oh and barnabees apple, I have found many more spelling mistakes in your posts than in my own. So why was that the first comment that came out of your mouth towards a high school student? I promise that the students posting here, all of whom I personally know, are of the highest caliber and intellect. So stop treating people who don't share your opinion as incompitent. Because they are not. Besides, comments such as yours are unnecessary and exactly why this feed has become chaotic and out of hand. Those insults make you look immature. Therefore, I will refrain from making any outright insult towards anybody, as I have refrained from doing in my previous posts as well. If anything, the other high school students posting here are showing just how mature they are. Eloquent and understanding. Last time I checked, they were displaying all of the morals and character traits that were apparently being put "in question" by the materials in the plays. Bravo my friends. This unfortunately is battle in a war that can never be won; one of opinion.
SWolf
12:03 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Megan, I think you are beautifully displaying just how comprehensive we are. That is half the battle. Getting adults to respect US.
Denny D
12:18 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011
Mr. Stefanelli and Mrs. Roebuck are both gifted and passionate about their craft. The people who disagree with their choice of plays are certainly allowed to voice their opinion. The theater students are no different than members of any other activity or club. I love sitting in the bleachers at sporting events and listen to all the wannabes criticize coaches and even some of the kids. It seems as though many people have this need to insult others especially when they are great in what they do. I was a jock my whole life but I respect ANYONE who gives their all for any kids. Look around and look at how poorly many schools are in certain areas. I call the leaders of activities "coach". Whether it is the band "coach", the singing "coach" the football "coach, the wrestling "coach" the chess "coach" etc. ANY of those "coaches" that go that extra mile for their kids deserve our support not bad mouthing. I have a feeling that some of the negative posters are probably parents of a kid that did not get the part in the play. You know, no different than the daddy that sits in the stands ripping the coach because little Johnny is not a starter on(take your choice).
Reality
1:12 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011
In the spirit of the season, I'm going to look at the positive side of this issue. I think it's great that this discussion has remained mostly civil. And the majority of the student comments have been insightful and well-written. More astonishing is the fact that this is a discussion with over 130 comments pertaining to something going on in the Brick school system that does NOT focus on middle school sports or the high school footbabll coach!
Denny D
1:46 pm on Saturday, December 24, 2011
AMEN!!
Yup
2:40 am on Sunday, December 25, 2011
Everyone seems to think it is just the parents who care and they are restricting their children. But I am a student involved in the play, and I care. I don't care as much about the language, but picking a play like Cabaret- set in a night club with inappropriate dancing and more... It is not just one character doing this but the whole cast. And believe it or not, there are students out there uncomfortable with doing that. That is not a play for high school- I'm not trying to censor anything. Go ahead and see it on Broadway. Those actors there get to choose whether or not they want to be in the play, and if they don't then they can try to find another. In high school, it's this play or no play. I have given a lot of my time for this club, and I think everyone should have a say in what it does. I don't see why it is such a big deal to just pick another play. And why is my opinion so much worse than those who are for it? Am I any less of an 'artist' or actor if I would rather do another play? Just because I'm in the minority doesn't mean I am any less right. I have found that ever since I began to speak up about the play, many members of Drama have hated me for it and I have honestly felt pushed out of the club. This makes me sad because I have been friends with these people for a while, and now because of some dumb play and the immaturity surrounding it, I no longer feel welcome in Drama.
Elizabeth
8:03 am on Friday, December 30, 2011
Intelligently and bravely stated...
Megan Barlow
12:51 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
@Yup; That's one reason that Cabaret was declined. Somewhere along the chain of command, someone believed it inappropriate for high school. So really it shouldn't even be brought up. It was an idea, and it was shot down. Just like Urinetown. Not for nothing, but it seems like the BOE does say no to the director's choices, showing that the people in charge do have a voice in what plays are performed.
And as a side note, if you don't want to do the high school play, you can choose to participate in any of the many community theaters in Brick like some of the people in Drama Club do already. In reality, it's not the high school play or nothing. You do have choices.
Elizabeth
9:30 am on Friday, December 30, 2011
Hi Megan, Your side note showed (what I'm sure was an unintentional) clear lack of compassion for a fellow Drama club member. As I understand it, the productions in an involved Drama member's senior year are very special. If Yup is a senior and has strong reservation about the content of a production, then he/she is being told that he/she is out of luck. There is more than a hint of sadness in this student's posts. Where is the Drama Club family for this student?
clamdigger
11:41 am on Friday, December 30, 2011
Hello Elizabeth, I'd like to take a minute to add that Megan's response of "In reality, it's not the high school play or nothing. You do have choices." goes both ways.
There appears to be a level of what is accepted in ones private home,what one does on their own time on a personal level,what parents allow children/teens to do,listen to,read or any other avenue of media is to be applied toward the drama productions the schools do publicly.
I'd like to know what is the problem in changing the dialogue for the performances?
I understand it may be an issue with the writers and the school can get in trouble for changing the script and/or dialogue w/o proper authorization but isn't there an avenue to request changes which are questionable? Isn't there a way of preformaing an "adaptation" version of whatever play is to be done so they can be community friendly?
Yup
3:46 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
@Megan I mentioned Cabaret because in truth that was what started all of this. And the community theaters, no offense to them, but they are very cliquey and are very hard to break into that circle. Not to mention, we as students shouldn't have to be pushed out of the school because inappropriate plays are picked. I understand why people wanted to do this play, I'm sure it has a good plot and interesting characters. But when several students and audience members are uncomfortable with it, I would have hoped the Drama Club would have said no to the play ourselves, instead of having it 'shot down' by the Board.
Megan Barlow
3:58 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
Why should the majority suffer if a few disagree? I'm sure some people still believe that women shouldn't have rights, but that doesn't mean we should rethink women's suffrage. Not everyone is going to be happy. That's what I believe anyway, and to choose a play that everyone agrees with is very difficult. And though I don't know who you are, I don't think you'd be pushed out solely because you don't agree with the play choice. If you think you were, then I'm very sorry.
As for community theaters, I think that is kind of offensive because I know many people involved with BCCT and they're nothing but kind. They accept everyone, so before you bash an entire group of people, you might want to get to know them first. But I guess that's just my opinion!
Yup
5:59 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
@Megan I didn`t mean to insult them. I apologize sincerely. They may be very nice but they still stick by their own. That`s really fine anyway because I only wanted to do the school`s plays anyway. but as for women`s suffrage, there used to be few people who thought women should have rights- it has only recently changed. just because they used to be in the minority didn`t make them wrong. and i understand you can`t please everyone with the plays. but i`m not talking about plays that people find boring or stupid- that`s their own problem. but not being able to do a play because of inappropriate material is wrong. there are many many plays out there that could be chosen from that wouldn`t be offensive so i really don`t understand why this had to become such a big deal. and thank you for caring about what is going on. i respect everyone`s opinions about this, yet ever since it was announced that he wanted to do cabaret few people have respected my opinion and others who spoke out against it.
Megan Barlow
6:24 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
@Yup; While I completely understand why Cabaret could be considered inappropriate, I think that it was a fine play for high school students to do. But I honestly don't see why that's still under scrutiny, seeing as it has been rejected. The BOE agreed with you and said it was inappropriate and that they wouldn't pay for it, which is fine. But Urinetown was rejected because of the name, which really irks me. And plays that you find to be inappropriate others could find to be appropriate which is why this discussion is never going to go anywhere because everyone has different levels of comfortableness with different subjects. I don't mean to sound blunt or anything, but at this point, I've given up trying to explain to people why I think this whole vendetta against the PG-13 plays is ridiculous! I completely respect your opinion, I really do. But I stand by my thoughts that there is no way to settle this. No matter what you do you are going to offend some and speak to others. Some are going to want to get up and leave in the middle of the show, and others will stay and be moved by the content. All I can say anymore is, that's theater!
Kelsey
8:05 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
I am a high school student who currently attends a performing arts high school. Plays are meant for entertainment and to also teach about historical events. Cabaret talks about the problems going on in Berlin during the rise of the Nazis. Now, you all are saying this might be inappropriate; however, aren't your children learning about this event in school? Let us look at another production. Hairspray talks all about segregation, and uses "inappropriate" words to describe each side; however, aren't your children learning about that topic in school? Miss Saigon is a musical all about the Vietnam War. Now, that has "inappropriate" material in it such as prostitutes and violence, except it is talking about something that ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Musicals/plays are meant to teach lessons, open the public’s eye, and to express a writer's thoughts.
I went to see Screen to Stage, and if you were like me, you looked at the poster advertising it. I saw films such as Mean Girls, and the Breakfast Club mentioned on the flyer. Now, "The Breakfast Club" came out in the 80s. If I was a parent, obviously being born before the movie came out in 1985, I probably would have heard about the movie, or even seen it myself. Knowing how the movie has strong language and content in it, I would know it might not be appropriate for a younger child to see. The high school should not censor what shows they do. You as parents should research the show determining if it is appropriate or not.
BTHS Student
9:49 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
I agree with you Kels
I might just be a student who helps out with the plays doing tech crew, but I do know in fact that these plays are amazing based on how many people come to see them and then come back the next night to see it again. If we are high school students why it is so bad for us to perform high school level plays?
How many parents allow their young children to play video games or watch movies that are beyond G rated? How many 8 year olds are playing Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto both games not meant for a younger age group. If you have a high school student, they are exposed to way worse then what is seen or heard in these plays just walking in the hallways of their school. If you have a high school aged boy just check his computer history I'm sure he's watched porn and you're teenage girl check her Facebook and see how wholesome she really is. I'm not saying this is true for everyone's child, but having a Facebook you see more inappropriately dressed students and inappropriate language then you see in any play preformed at BTHS or BTMHS. So if you do not want you're young child to see these productions take them to the ones at the middle schools or the elementary schools, not the high school where students say a lot worse than shit or hell. In the high school students drop every 4 lettered word imaginable.
So if you’re offended by what is shown in the plays simply don’t go to them, but remember what you allow your kids to watch on TV or at the movies.
Yup
10:41 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
Well I don't think the part with the Nazis or anything is inappropriate content, just the part about almost everyone in the play being some sort of dancer/stripper type person. I would actually love to do a play involving history, just not one with that sort of content. And there's a difference between watching something on the TV and actually acting it out... So if you are actually a student in the plays, then it matters. There are plenty of plays that students would be comfortable with involving history or whatever. (even the Sound of Music is about WW2 times). So really, why did it matter so much to just pick a different play? Nearly everyone here is hating on everyone else. It should just be a courtesy to the students who worked so hard in the Drama Club to have chosen a play they could actually do in their senior year. I'm not saying the play had to be squeaky clean, I don't care that much. But the content of shows like Cabaret is just unnecessary. The people who are for those kinds of shows call people like me close-minded. Yet whoever says something like that is actually being close-minded because they can't see it from our point-of-view and frankly don't care. (not everyone, just some people) Just because I am uncomfortable with the play and would rather another show be picked my last play of high school, doesn't make me an evil censoring-monster. There are some people who should show more respect for others' opinions all around. (btw Megan this is not aimed at you)
Yup
10:42 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
But in the end, this won't really matter to us 5 years from now anyway. So Merry Christmas everyone. I hope more people will be able to be more tolerant of others' beliefs someday. (people on both sides of this issue...)
Joey
11:06 pm on Sunday, December 25, 2011
I go to the Performing Arts Academy in Lakehurst. All of this b.s. above is nonsense. Theater is art. Did anyone put underwear on The David, who is out there in his birthday suit in Italy? Did anyone tell Mr. Cy Coleman that he could not write a show about prostitutes and what they really wanna do in their lives? Sometimes History is considered an art...open up your son's/daughter's history book. It's full of naked people. If you wanna censor theater, then you're gonna have to censor everything else. The best part is, the uncensored plays really are the most detailed and hit the hard facts and deal with the hardships of many things gone about in history. And as a performer, i've learned that in a musical It's not about the performers on stage and what they do, it's about the story they are telling you.
KC
10:37 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
I love that symbolism - David in underwear lol. would they be briefs or boxers?
Kelsey
9:32 am on Monday, December 26, 2011
Okay...let's get this straight though. Prostitution, and dressing inappropriately HAPPENS. Go on facebook and check out how many high school girls or even YOUNGER wear close to nothing in their profile pictures (believe me, it won't take you long to find them). If the students feel uncomfortable doing a production, then they should NOT AUDITION. I'm sure they could do BCCT if they want to do a censored show. And to be honest, I have been on both ends of the spectrum. I have played a prostitute, whore, I have also played a guy that hits on the prostitutes. Did I ever once feel uncomfortable? NO! You know why I didn't? Because it is ACTING. Just because you are portraying a "whore" on stage does not mean you have to be one in real life. Theatre is art. Leave it that way. You as grown adults make it seem like us "kids" do not understand what these types of things are. Newflash, we do. So no, these directors should not pick another show. If a kid has a problem with it, don't audition. Simple as that. Hope everyone had a merry chirstmas! :)
Randi
4:54 pm on Monday, December 26, 2011
Agreed and if the parents do not want little kids to see the play...do not bring them!
Eddie Lucasiewicz
10:18 pm on Monday, December 26, 2011
Really people!?!?! Are you kidding me!!! ITS ACTING!!!!!!!!!!!!
KC
12:37 am on Tuesday, December 27, 2011
"Urinetown"? Whatever happened to classics like Thornton Wilder's "Our Town" or Schulberg's "On the Waterfront" or "The Glass Menagerie" by Tennessee Williams, or Arthur Miller's "Death of a Salesman" or O'Neill's "Long Day's Journey Into the Night"? Those are American classics and worthy of attention over some of the aforementioned. When you have a school system that only hires and retains wet behind the ears newbies, this is what can happen - absolute drivel.
Megan Barlow
10:29 am on Tuesday, December 27, 2011
We would love to do "Long Day's Journey Into Night" actually. It just so happens to be one of my director's favorite plays. However, it is a five person play, it contains a very controversial story line, and we don't have the male actors to play the critical roles. So please don't blame us for not being able to do amazing plays. It really isn't our fault. Especially for plays like that, because even if we had the actors, the BOE would most likely not agree to it.
And as a side note, Urinetown is a great show that critiques society. The characters are well written, and the music, I think, is fantastic. As for the school system only retaining new teachers, that's not true. Many of our teachers have been teaching for many, many years. I don't understand how you can be so critical of something that is hardly factual.
Reality
8:43 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Ms. Roebuck, You do realize your resume only gives credence to those who believe the old saying, "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." (No, I don't believe this myself.)
I'm sorry you weren't able to make it in acting yourself. Hopefully, you at least share your story with your students so they can glimpse how difficult it actually is to break into the acting world.
KC
7:28 pm on Tuesday, December 27, 2011
I stand by my statement... the district only hires newbies. Anyone with any experience cannot be hired because the BOE refuses to pay above entry level scale. The diluted inventory of new hires is reflected in a diluted educational system as a whole. That is not merely a Brick Township problem, it is a state wide one and it is discriminatory. Because they cut corners on hiring, the administration continues to enjoy inflated compensation. Students get to deal with newbies or relics.
justanotherstudent
12:47 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Why does being a new teacher, make them a bad teacher? You can't get experiance without being a "newbie" at some point. Our directors are amazing and shouldn't be blamed for the shows we are allowed to do. We are limited on the number of actors and actresses we have, espically the actors and for what we believe we can perform. Also, from what the BOE allows us to do. I do somewhat agree that with the reasoning behind denying Urinetown, though it is a great show. And I would love to do the shows KC mentioned, such as "Long Days" and "Death of a Saleman" since I love both of those shows, but can you really tell me that neither of those shows would bring about anything about it being "inappropriate." You will never find a show that is perfect for all ages. We want a show that works for high school students.
KC
2:24 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
Newbies not inherently "bad", but quite often unseasoned. A perfect show? "Our town"!
NRyan
9:16 pm on Wednesday, December 28, 2011
As we all know everything performed serves a purpose. The main purpose of the arts is to of course entertain; however, the creative individuals also place real life lessons and morals into the plot to have the audience not only have an enjoyable experience but actually have it impact their everyday lives. As we all know, teenagers today are exposed to profanity in their day to day events, mainly school. Since these undertones happen in the real world, the audience is drawn into the reality driven plot and is intrigued and entertained at the same time which makes for a succesful production. I am a student who was involved in "Rent" last year at Brick Township High School, and let me tell you it was one of the most eye-opening and life-changing experiences of my life. To those who are not aware, Rent is one of the few musicals to win a Pulitzer Prize among many other awards. Our director chose the show based on what we needed to learn about our surroundings. A lesson of tolerance and awareness was a much needed slap in the face for a majority of the students and residents of Brick Township; especially after the then-recent suicide of the Rutgers University student. Each audience member who left the auditorium stated it was the most brilliant production to ever be performed on the Brick High School stage. At the high school level it is all about the learning experience for the cast, the crew, the audience, and even the director. People, there is no better education than that!
Greg
7:26 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
First, I'd like to thank all of you who have weighed in. I am high school director in the process of picking this year's show and came upon this thread accidentally. There seems to be an inherent trust issue going on here, and no one seems to see a way out. The analogy to Footloose is actually quite appropriate here. The wide array of opinions can never be bridged in a discussion such as this. You can never appease those who want to see yet another production of Our Town - you can't do it every year. You also have to judge your community when you choose a play, and language is always a huge consideration. I particularly liked the student who defended performance material versus class material - this is perhaps the most salient point thus far. There is no real difference between books and stage, especially when one MUST read the curriculum in that class, that is unless you have substitute books for the likes of Catcher in the Rye. The reality is that the cannon of literature is changing just as fast as that which might be construed as fine theater. Today's kids are forced to be more mature, more adult, and it's our job as educators to put in them in contact with material that will help them work their way out of adolescence and into adulthood. By the way, I am neither a "newbie" nor a "relic" but I like to think that I walk the line of both. I'd love to do The Laramie Project but I know I don't have the support, and I'd die before doing Our Town. The middle's best. Good Luck!
Jennifer Roebuck
6:59 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Well said, Greg.
KC
10:31 pm on Thursday, December 29, 2011
Hark I hear a cannon! Methinks thou doth mean "canon", your point is not lost despite an unfortunate use of synonym. :0)
stellaluna
12:00 pm on Monday, January 2, 2012
If parents of students performing do not want their kids involved they wouldnt be and if the community doesnt approve of the subject matter there would not be an audience...obviously the majority loves what our drama advisors are doing or we would have an empty stage and empty auditorium...the students who are involved in these plays are not in the streets, not in gangs, not doing drugs..and correct me if I am wrong but I believe they need to keep a certain grade point average in order to participate? It seems as thoug the days of plays such as Bye Bye Birdie are long gone (my sister did Bye Bye Birdie in 1977!!!).....the kids are involved because they love the choices of productions and its their time now...not ours....they are good kids...I think BTHS has an awesome drama advisor!! She is loved by many students, staff and parents...If she did not care so much it would be easy to just do the productions that have been done to death....she wants (I think) to see the kids be excited and possibly do plays as not to be in the shadow of those who have been on the stage in previous years...just an added comment (I have never commented before so please be kind with your replies to me as I was taught as a child not to be mean to others)
Bob Fraser
8:20 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
Stella,
the facts do not support your arguement. Bye Bye Birdie, which you remember so fondly, was the musical which had the highest attendance in BMHS in recent years, by Mr. S's admission, only last year.
Never was the quality of the direction called into question.
To restate the objection:
Mr. Stephanelli publicly refuses to review content of his productions with:
Parents
Drama Club Exec Board
School Board
Drama Club Members
Complicting this problem, he has further stated, he does not want to work with students who's parents may object to his choices.
Blackballing students, because a teacher objects to a parents position is JUST, and arguably WORSE that the alleged censcorship everyone is yelling about here.
stellaluna
12:00 pm on Monday, January 2, 2012
how bout focusing more on the alcohol being served at homes during parties because parents think its "safe".....my 16 yr old has many friends who are allowed to drink at home...shame on those who promote drinking for underage children!!! also lets try to help the kids by getting new uniforms for some of the sports at the middle school level..some teams are wearing unmatching jerseys and using tape to fix the numbers....as a parent I am more than willing to contribute and have those jerseys handed down to the next group of kids after mine graduate but its sad that no one ever talks about these things...I apologize if they do perhaps I just didnt see or hear it!! Happy New Year!!
alisa mirabella
12:20 pm on Friday, January 13, 2012
Urinetown is not profane. It is not risque. It is timely and creative. I was not sure that the word urine was considered a "bad" word. Read it before you comment.
Scott Frelund
1:54 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
I do have to say, reading these comments makes me happy that there are so many people in Brick Township who are passionate about something other than our football teams (yeah, they're great. We get it). In reading, however, I have seen such ignorance that is far from surprising. I attended BTHS for my freshman and sophomore years, in which we staged and performed numerous productions ("Grease" and "Into the Woods" to name a few). The summer before my junior year, my family and I moved to Voorhees, on the southwest side of Jersey. I attended Eastern High School, one of the best high schools in the state (also one where the budget gets passed EVERY SINGLE YEAR). My senior year (2010), we had the chance to perform "Chicago", being one of the first high schools in the tri-state area to be granted the rights. Not one member of the board of ed had complained about any of the risqué themes in the show. In fact, the board of ed even granted the production team the right to let myself play the character of Mary Sunshine, which is traditionally played on Broadway and the numerous tours by a male in drag. The board of education for Eastern High School was not nearly as worried about the content of our productions as they were supporting the amazing talent that the student body possesses. I know plenty of the kids that I went to school with both at BTHS and EHS have gone on to very successful training and careers in the theatre.
Scott Frelund
2:02 pm on Wednesday, January 18, 2012
(continued) We as citizens and tax payers should worry more about supporting our students in every way, shape, or form. Why waste so much time worrying if our students are cursing on stage (Hello, walk down the halls of ANY high school in America and you will hear an abundance of curse words you never thought existed). Worry about making the facilities more up-to-date and safe for our children. Worry about making sure our students get the best support and education they can to become amazing figures in history. I have to agree with some of the comments I saw on here. Sheltering our students will not advance them in any way. Students need to progress and learn in order to become the best they can. If you wish to censor what these students are exposed to, whether it be on stage, in the classroom, or even on the field, you are depriving YOUR children of what they need to become the best they can.
Also, I would just like to know that RENT is one of the most successful shows in Broadway history. During its record-setting 12 year run, it was the recipient of the Pulitzer Prize for Drama. Getting the chance to perform in something of that caliber is once in a lifetime. If your children and students are as dedicated to the theatre as I am, you would not want to stifle that moment.
Kelly Conroy
10:46 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
The correct spelling is Stefanelli, and I think some of you parents should find a new hobby...this is pretty pathetic...
Jennifer Roebuck
9:16 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Reality~ If your definition of "making it" is fame and great financial fortune, then you are correct. I did not "make it." If, however, the definition of "making it" is the ability to make a living as a working actress for many years with artists that inspired me in a city that I love, while learning and growing as an individual and being able to teach and inspire my child and students ~ then, not only have I "Made It," but, my ideas of success supersede any that I had ever imagined. Have you been given the gift of watching a student grow from novice to full scholarship acting student at NYU under your guidance and direction? Have you had the pleasure of guiding a student away from drug abuse, violence, and fear to a family of actors on stage and off while remaining sober, and shining as a lead in his first play? THAT my friend IS MAKING IT! What a truly blissful life to wake up each morning and love what I teach and where I teach it. Do you enjoy going to work each day, Reality?
Reality
7:33 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Hmm, looks like I definitely hit a sore spot here! Again, I think the real lesson you are teaching your students its that it's extremely difficult to make it as a working actor.
I'm happy for you though that you get to brag about your guest roles to Brick teenagers and here on this board! Guess that's your stage now.
Elizabeth
9:48 am on Sunday, January 22, 2012
Reality, if you are an adult, please have a friend read your last few posts. They are petty and I am sure not where you planned to go when you first started posting on this site, And Ms. Roebuck, even though I emphatically disagree with you on this subject, why do you feel the need to justify yourself? You are a professional and obviously one with a passion for your work.