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Christie on Newtown Massacre: There's a Stigma Attached to Mental Illness

At a Thursday town hall, Gov. Chris Christie talked about the recent shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

 

For the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, for the 20 children who died at the hands of the kind of man they never knew existed, and for their grief-stricken parents who will forever ask why, Gov. Chris Christie said we owe it to them to find the answer.

It won’t be easy, Christie told a packed crowd during a recent town hall meeting in Belmar, and there’s no one area we can point to and say "that’s it." What unfolded last Friday morning in Newtown, Conn. was a confluence of a series of events and manifested emotions unleashed on a group of innocent people.

But, while there’s no simple explanation for why Adam Lanza shot his sleeping mother and then set off for a seemingly random elementary school to target children, and in the process killing 26 people before shooting himself, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t as least try and understand why it happened and how we can prevent it in the future, Christie said.

Christie’s comments came during a town hall meeting focused primarily on New Jersey’s post-Hurricane Sandy recovery. A young student asked Christie about the shooting and how the state would help make schools more safe and secure for the children attending them.

Reactionary considerations, like stationing armed guards outside of school classrooms, isn’t the right place to start, Christie said. “One thing we can never completely stop is when bad people want to do bad things,” he said. As a society we can, however, do a better job of identifying issues and reaching out to those in need before it’s too late.

Though the reports on Lanza’s life are somewhat muddled, most of the details culled from interviews with neighbors and acquaintances who never knew him well, the 20 year old is believed to have been suffering from a mental illness. The massacre, Christie believes, is likely tied to the failure to get Lanza treatment for mental illness.

Society needs to be more forthright when it comes to not only identifying those who suffer mental illness, but providing treatment, too. It is a difficult proposition, he said, one we need to move beyond if we want to prevent incidents like this from happening again.

“There’s a stigma attached to (mental illness), everybody,” he said. “We need to remove that stigma.”

When Christie first heard news of the shooting, delivered in a rushed conversation down some corridor in the Statehouse that Friday morning, the first thing to enter his mind before he could even completely process what was told to him were his three children.

It’s a devastating and unnatural grief, Christie told the crowd, when a parent loses a child. As a mother, as a father, your only expectation is that your children will be there, will live on after you’ve passed away, he said. It’s a daunting task, responding to a tragedy like this, but for the sake of the children, what parents, teachers and legislators must do now is preserve an environment that’s conducive to education, not fear.

“The adults are going to be responsible about this, I think,” Christie told the young questioner, adding that the student's only job in school is to continue concentrating on getting smart.

The wide picture needs to be examined before any decisions are made going forward, Christie said. Yes, gun control needs to be examined. New Jersey has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, Christie said, coming in second only to New York. The country, as a whole, also needs to address the culture of violence that permeates our society, he said.

Lanza, Christie said he’s read, spent hours and hours locked away in the basement of his mother’s home playing Call of Duty, a realistic military-style first person shooter. It’s hard to imagine that playing what ostensibly amounts to a repercussion-free murder simulator with a realistic depiction of gun violence doesn’t contribute to desensitization.  

But, Christie cautioned, it’s not just about video games, or the depiction of violence across the various forms of media. It’s not just about guns, which Lanza had ready access to and training with. It’s not even just about mental illness, either. It can’t be just one thing.

“If we focus on just one of those things…we’re going to miss it,” Christie said.

Related Topics: Gov. Chris Christie, Mental Health Treatment, and Sandy Hook School Shooting

Robert J corcoran

3:02 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

A balanced intellectual response ! Go Christie.

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Col. Korn

10:22 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Hummmmm, Why is it that some Politicians, (Who all have armed guards protecting them and their families 24 hours a day) see their own lives as more precious than say, an 8 year olds?

Yes, GO (!) any school board that has the sense to protect our children at least as well as city hall!

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Mary

8:18 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

Hummmm, I have to say I agree with you. They are all protected with all their body guards who have guns. Politicians have always felt their families deserve more in everything they do. They always exclude themselves in the equation of anything that is going on.

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Wendi

4:10 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Well, until we figure out what the answer is then, I have no problem with armed guards at school.............Go Marlboro!

Shannon

5:38 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

There was an armed guard at Columbine.

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Joe R

9:22 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Two armed guards at Coumbine. Gee, I thought the shooters only went to gun free zones?

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Enuf Already

3:54 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

@Shannon- Not when the shooting took place (at Columbine) unfortunately. There weren't enough resources, and when another call came in, they would have to pull the guard from the school.

ray

5:50 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Remove the stigma? Are you nuts? That's how you know they're crazy and you can't turn your back on 'em.

fed up

6:04 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

@ray, I agree. The stigma is what distinguishes them from the rest of society. which lets the rest of us know that they are flipping bonkers.

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l

7:54 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I think they mean removing the stigma as in dealing with a problem instead of ignoring it. The "stigma" refers to the social disgrace of an unacceptable disease- anyway, guns and mental illness are a deadly mix....

Barney

7:24 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

If there was an award for the best Governor ever, Christie would win it.

You LIBS should be licking his toes considering his tenacity for running over crooked Unions.

The man deserves the GOLDEN GOVERNOR AWARD tonight!

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.

12:27 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

He hasn't done one positive thing for New Jersey. He is a big bag of hot air. He is the worst governor ever! He has you fooled that he is so great. He is not better than all of his crooked friends like Mike Ritacco etc.
As far as people thinking he did such a great job after Sandy, he was doing what he is paid to do. He is a loser big time.

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Enuf Already

4:09 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I agree Barney. Looks like someone's "special interests" card is showing. Christie has taken this state back from the thieves that put it in the tanker. I suppose they would prefer to have McGreedy or Corzine back. GO GOVERNOR CHRISTIE!!

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Francis

9:06 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

@ Barney

you are kidding right ? what exactly has Gov Christie done? Funny you dont hear him saying teahers are thugs anymore. Didja check the unemployment numbers in Nj? tolls up , property taxes, up drugs up , helicopter rides to baseball , trips to support Mitt, 2 % cap ? lol please
What has he done? nothing oh yeah he put 50 of his republican friends into jobs at the P A

I have spoken

7:45 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

All those feel good educaters and the parents who came up with the idea nut-job should not be segragated, I hope their rethinking their decisions. The nut-jobs need a class of their own far from normal children.

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Joe R

9:21 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Aren't you aware that there are special education classes for kids with emotional problems?

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Mary

9:31 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

The educators are not innocent in this picture. They know there is problems that are constantly getting overlooked in their schools. The kids are stuck in the middle and have very little power or say on what happens to them. Yes, the parents are in denial, but so are the schools, administrators, teachers. The medical profession, psychiatrist, and parents are in denial too! I happen to agree with Lorraine Valente. She is right on the nose. Nothing is ever going to change if we continue to have the same denying society. We need to work together to get this all straighten out or it will happen again. Guns or Not! Nothing is going to stop someone who feels hopelessness, who felt wrong has been done to them over and over. No one wins in this case. Everyone becomes victims. I just wish people would really listen more to those in need. Sorry, I do not even believe that the killer barged or shot his way in. It was reported apparently he did it. When the story first broke they said he was let in. I feel he was let in. Not realizing what he was up to or capable of. It was reported HIS MOTHER WAS VERY VERY Yes, "Thats TWO VERIES. GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE PRINCIPAL AND THE PSYCHIATRIST THAT WAS KILLED. So you are telling me they would not let HER SON IN! THEY DID NOT KNOW HIM! Sure, In my opinion the school can't even be honest with this. They are denial and don't want to be liable in anyway. They will be sued, so they lie. They cover it up and it happens all the time.

Barney

8:00 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

The only nut-job I know is the one that spent 20 years attending Reverend Wright's racially fueled sermons.

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Joe R

9:19 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

You need to look in the mirror.

a alda

8:02 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

I tried to have someone commited in the state of NJ a few years back. Person is a danger to society. The state told me that unless she severely harmed or killed someone, we could not commit her. It wasn't bad enough that she tried to set the house on fire numerous times with people sleeping. This is what is wrong with society.

Freetobeyouandme

8:55 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

In addition to the emphasis on guns and media violence, there needs to be a focus on the PRESCRIBED drugs our children are exposed to. The sad reality is the psychotropic drugs have replaced TV as the en-mass behavior modifier to quiet our children. These drugs are put into mass production without sufficient understanding of their effects. Guns, media violence and drugs (prescription & non prescription) and their interaction all need to be examined to get a solution.

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Lorraine Valente

9:08 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Absolutely. MD's and parents are in denial. The Country is in denial. The medical profession profits from illness not health. What better way to profit then off children who have no say in the matter. Lanza was placed on a dangerous antipsychotic pharmaceutical and it is "obvious" no one monitored the horrifc side effects. No one saw the "signs". The psychiatric profession profits from "intentionally" fabricating and falsly diagnosing normal childhood behaviors, labeling them as "learning Disabled" then stigmaticzing children. Oh yeah, and the school benefit finanicially in extra aid for eery child labelled.

Lanza is a victim of the psychiatric and medical profession and a mother who wanted him institutionalized because she didn't understand "the signs" of drug toxicity. He saw no way out..hence shooting her in the face while asleep. Drugs hijacked his brain, a mother who was obsessed with firearms who was perhaps just as "emotionally unstable", a school system that failed him...everyone failed him then the entire country blames the guns. What's wrong with this picture?

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l

4:29 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Lorraine: Everyone blames the guns? What's wrong with this picture? Having a semi automatic assault weapon designed to kill any target within long and close range - a weapon designed for war - used to kill 20 innocent children and 6 of their teachers - that - is what is wrong with this picture - the fact that people are blaming mental illness or autism is irrelevant and inaccurate - the problem is to get guns out of civilian hands - the hands that use these weapons they do not need so that yet another horror of this type does not again ever happen...

George Clark

9:00 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

I like his deeper hidden message thing at the end there, if that's what it was. Not sure I want armed men in schools, they may amplify thrill for demented. But I'll tell you this. monkeys see and monkeys do, I see you monkeys and am one too. Lol. If commericials didn't and propaganda doesn't work, I'd say it's harmless fun for most. Just as commercials have different appeals to different folks. As one who knows the ar a little, less I had the jump or element of surprise, which could be worked out in school cameras, I wouldn't wanna go up against an ar with a handgun. knife to gun fight

George Clark

9:01 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

unless your really good with that pistol.

Joe R

9:18 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

There were people carrying weapons at the Tucson massacre, in fact one man nearly shot the wrong person but was stopped by others at the rally. So the crazed shooter in this case chose a " gun zone" at which people had conceal carry guns. That's the point, crazed shooters don't care if it's a gun free zone or not.

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Mary

9:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

The Government has used guns to kill people. I am guessing that is ok.

Barney

10:06 pm on Saturday, December 22, 2012

Obama'sPastor of 20 yars said....

"Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that, y'all. Not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.

Marjorie Smith

12:54 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Excellent and sensitive reporting on the governor's response to this horrific event.

corinne Marx

1:49 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

ok so lets lets put one cop assigned to all schools!! we have cops in banks dont we. the other day when i was dropping my child off at school after i left i saw a student knocking at the back door now the doors in the back have no windows and do you know someone opened that door for him.. i called the school right away i can not believe these kids are still doing this and other kids are just opening doors this needs to stop now.....

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Mary

9:40 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Really? Do you really think you are going to stop this? Do you really think the schools care. Sheesh....Everyone is in denial.

Cathy McGuire

6:46 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You are winning me over Governor. You were there for Sandy and your words on the horror in Ct. are so true now is the time to start working on every point you made so this does not happen to another child or adult. America needs to wake up.

Tj Bronson

7:12 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

The propaganda is as insane as the entire campaign to dismantled and ban ALL GUN! Not to mention the "ASSAULT WEAPONS" Why don't you anti gun people go back to sleep and leave my rights to own a GUN alone and I will leave your rights to NOT own a gun alone.. And spare me the the lecture on how guns killed the those on the Sandy Hook shooting.. My son was killed 4 years ago by a derranged killer with a knife, and I wished I had a gun when he perpatrated my home that night. I now own 3 guns and NO ONE will EVER hurt another member in my family again. Leave my rights to own a gun ALONE! You don't know what you're doing by lobbying for a gun ban. I support the right to keep and bear arms.
ANY GUN!

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Mary

9:44 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Tj Bronson, I happen to agree with you. Sorry about your Son...I have said several times on this issue on other killings too. It is not guns, as you know first hand. It could be any weapon. It is people that kill people along with the denial of society and what is really going on.

james hall

7:32 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

University Study Confirms
Private Firearms
Stop Crime 2.5 Million Times Each Year

Also watch movie "Making a Killing" on youtube !

FN

7:36 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Someone said Christie is the worst governor? How quickly one forgets Corzine.....

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Opinionated

7:49 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Not to mention Florio, McGreevey, and Whitman; obviuosly that person is off their meds too.

Opinionated

7:58 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

There are multiple issues that need to be addressed because of what happened in CT. The problem is we have those who seemingly look forward to such tragedies occurring in order to push their own agendas. They need to be ignored and written off as extremist loons because if we listen to them nothing will get accomplished. Then they will want more of the same that didn't work. It is apparent that those who present a danger need help and should be institutionalized in order to get it. Gun Control is neither a substitute nor a viable treatment for mental illness.

Guntoter66

7:59 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

The reason we have so much "mental illness" is because they don't build houses with attics any more.

oldsoldier

11:37 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I think the Governor spoke of this as well as anyone could have. The action, however, is going to be the most difficult. As I have posted before, for every call for action, someone will be against it and another person will call the others names for it. We need to resolve this mental illness issue. I agree with the sentiments posted earlier in this thread. A label or stigma, is going to be necessary for anyone with mental illness. It should be easier to commit those with mental illness that will not self-medicate or have proven themselves to be violent. Violent video games need to be controlled in their purchases (look at cigarettes).

To Opinionated - I agree with much of what you posted. However, I believe the majority of us have ignored the extremists over the years, and look at where we are at now for it. To ignore is not the answer, in my opinion. Make the extremists explain themselves, ask them questions. Challenge them.

Lastly, as I have posted before - Parents need to be parents. There is no excuse for a parent to sit a child in front of a video game or TV. Family and religious values are a basic necessity for all of us. Our children must learn that from family. You can look at many problems we face in this country, and trace it back to lack of values.I realize many do not share that view, so I will borrow from a man they look up to - Al Gore: It is an inconvenient truth.

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Joe R

12:39 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

So regulating guns is totally off the table? Just brilliant. When you mentioned extremists, the NRA and Wayne LaPierre immediately came to mind. George Bush senior resigned from the NRA in 1995 because of disgusting comments by Wayne LaPierre.

bayboat

4:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Armed guards in schools is a knee jerk overreaction to the problem.
Hopefully theres not a "hey, we need some guards too!" reaction from the boe to Marlboros over the top decision.

George Murphy

4:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I have not seen any reference to the real source made in any of these postings. I am not siding with one or the other. I like Christiei, but I do not always agree with his stance. Some of you started to wander into the political arena. This is no time for arguments about who is better than whom. Fact is, both sides have a lot of holes and loose ends to repair.

Now, for the real source: We are a spiritually sick nation. It is not about guns; it's about who has them and uses them for ignoble purposes. I have a firearms permit, but I do not own a gun, nor do I plan to purchase one. Furthermore, the answer to these socital ills can be found in the 19th chapter of the Book of Deuteronomy, and it can be confirmed several thousand years later in the 13th chapter of Romans.

Yes, I said it, unless we rid the world of evil practices, which eventually lead to cultural and moral destruction, then all hope will be lost. Please do not respond or comment on my contribution until you've read the aforementioned.

Larry Cataldo

5:31 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, IT HAS TO DO WITH SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, ARMED GUARDS IN SCHOOLS HOW ABOUT A $20 TAX ON A BOX AMMO, THAT WILL PAY FOR IT!

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Eyeballs

6:22 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

So shooting 20 kindergarten kids has nothing to do with mental illness. The guy who did this was perfectly normal mentally. So I guess everyone might do this. Including you.

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Olivia Dunham

6:53 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

All people with mental illness should be locked up and immediately made medically unable to procreate. Anyone that is born with or gets mental illness especially autism should immediatley be quarantined and studied so that we can elminate them and it.

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Shannon

7:07 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Olivia Dunham~this is exactly the way the Nazis thought about the mentally retarded. Once you start on that slippery slope...we should now jail people who have never committed a crime? Wow! God forbid America ever becomes that country. We jailed a bunch of Japanese who had never committed any crime but be born Japanese during WWII. I guess that was ok too?

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Olivia Dunham

8:05 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

It was definitely ok to jail the enemy during wartime. We should lock up all muslims now. Your simple mind is oversimplifying the eugenics that the nazis advocated. Retards cannot function in society. They are sick. We need to cure the sickness. Simple.

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WMS826

10:17 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

You by this statement sound mentally ill

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WMS826

11:00 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

Steralize all mental paitients... then we will declare liberaliism a diesease of the mind

WK Williamson

5:38 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

As a person who is mentally ill, and a productive member of society, those of you say "we should stigmatize" are derranged. What if your mother had depression, or your sister had bipolar. Shame on you. I went to Virginia Tech and also lived right near the movie theater where lives were taken by gunmen. Luckily for me, I am older and escaped by twenty years being in either location. But to say keep us in attics? Seriously? You show your true ignorance. In times like these, the sad part is we need to come together for solutions to gun violence and mental illness recovery rather than everyone going to their corner of the ring and putting on their gloves. Nothing disgusts me more than Americans who choose not to see the other side. I am not a gun supporter, but I do respect the 2nd amendment and the right for others' to bear arms. I know our forefather's did not draft it believing several hundred years later this would include deadly assault weapons with the capability of hundreds of bullets in minutes capable of wiping out classrooms of children, young, college aged or adults anywhere. I'm damn sure if they had a crystal ball they would have written it differently. Back then they were writing it with rifles and muskets in mind; weapons that took time to load. There were thoughts required in between each load, not cartridges that required one pull. Video games, mental illness, a parent's lack of responsibility to keep her guns locked up and outdated fun laws contribute here.

WK Williamson

5:47 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

oops, i meant "outdated GUN laws...."
Anyway, typing on small netbook, not usual laptop. I also see typos with apostrophes and I'm mortified... I am a writer.
The point I really want to make is we need to come together instead of arguing. I respect people's right to bear arms. But how about a 30 day wait. What is wrong with that? It has been useful in Canada. Israel mandates a 60 day wait and only issues a particular number of bullets. I know we'd never allow that here. But background checks aren't done. And I am not in favor of letting anyone, mentally ill or criminal, to be able to purchase one. I once attempted suicide. I SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PURCHASE a gun. Yet there are ways, simple ways I could. You should be more concerned with this than with medications for children argument. You will all always have your opinion about me, which is interesting as I don't have an opinion about YOU. And God knows what you do in your spare time. How you treat people. Just because I am in a class with someone who committed a crime does not mean we're all bad people. If you are a teacher (like my parents) and were at the gun killing children at a school, would you persecute ALL teachers.
Time to go. Better things to do with my time than give you all my opinion on Patch. Like find a new apartment. I was displaced with Sandy and need a new home.

Peace.

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oldsoldier

7:46 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I will try to address this, as I pray the situation you describe never happens. If a teacher did kill children at a school, I beleive two things would happen:
First - All Teachers would be under a magnifying glass, increased scrutiny and Teachers' Unions would be criticized harshly.
Second - Teachers and supporters of teachers would say that the teacher was mentally ill, and call for gun control.

I referred to those who are mentally ill but either violent, or will not regulate themselves through strong values or medication. While I do not know you, I do not beleive you fit those categories. You sound as if you have prohibited yourself from purchasing a gun, which I would say speaks to your own values. At any rate, guns have been around much longer than the problems we are dealing with, and there are a number of laws, not just for guns, that are not being enforced. So, I do not believe new laws will solve the issue. I will agree with you on this point - I have no issue with a waiting period.

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Mary

9:58 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Wk Williamson, The problem certainly is ignorance and a society that is in denial on so many issues on what is really going on. These individuals who say stupid things about individuals who are not mentally stable is wrong. They don't realize that mental illness could possibly affect them or their family one day. I happen to agree with Lorraine Valente, This young man was also victimized by so many and they are all in denial and pointing fingers. It is too bad that so many innocent children and a few teachers had to lose their lives over all the mistakes that were made by so many.

oldsoldier

7:36 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

To Joe R - Please READ my post. I refer to the position posted about ignoring extremists. That we should not ignore them because it has caused us more problems doing so. As far as your question on regulating guns - Is there something I am missing? Are we not regulating them already? How is that working? As I have posted in other threads, gun control only works for those who obey the law, it does not control the criminals and would be criminals from getting them. As someone who is not a member of the NRA, I do not follow their comments. But I know enough to realize that crimes are committed by people with guns across this country every day who are prohibited from having them. In fact, one of our own Border Patrol officers was murdered with a gun trafficked by our own Government (remember Fast and Furious?). And you want our Government to fix this? I recommend you look to the voting booth for the person that best represents you views in this arena. I do appreciate your view on this, as I hope you appreciate mine.

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Francis

9:17 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

We had an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 under the lack of leadership of the Bush admin.Congress at this time was republican in both the house and senate.
There is no need or use for assault weapons other then to kill ppl.
The assault ban should be put up for vote on the Nov Ballot

Joe R

8:35 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Larry Cataldo has an excellent idea, an extra tax/surcharge on bullets and guns to pay for all the carnage that results from the deluge of guns that washes over this country. Maybe some of that surcharge on guns and ammo could also be used for mental health, more consulors and psychologists in schools. Throwing all people with a supposed mental illness into a psychiatric ward or a prison is NUTS, insane (no pun intended). Prisons and psychiatric hospitals are full to capacity as it is and they keep cutting funds for psychiatric hospitals. The really sad thought is that in a few weeks or months we will be having this same sickening so called discussion again and again and again.

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Mary

8:32 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

I agree their needs to be more help for mental illness. People in our society cause all the problems because no one truly listens to those who have problems. Violence will keep on happening because to many ignore the signs including schools. Yes, Parents are in denial and need to be educated. So is the schools, the psychiatrist and doctors. Ultimately it was Lanza who pulled the trigger, but you have to question yourself...Why? Why would a 20 year old be so violent and able to kill a bunch of helpless innocent children. Was it that he felt so helpless himself. I just feel everyone failed him in his life. It wasn't just one. Personally I feel it is all about money and how much can we make on both kids and adults. No one seems to be getting the right help. You have doctors who are mis diagnosing kids, Parents that don't know what to really do, Where do they turn to, doctors, schools etc....So I don't feel it is solely any parents fault, the schools have a big hand in it as well as the doctors. Unfortunately we will be discussing it again and again. Because society itself is just one big lie. There isn't many that are straight forward and doing the right thing. From my own experiences the schools have never been truthful on to much. They only help and see what they want to. I know more people in the schools that are more whacked out than those roaming the streets.

Maria

8:45 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Go Christie spend another 300 million on the revel casino m drug rehabs before I spend on public school security !!!!

Maria

8:47 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Perhaps the iconic hero will have a plan on how to make money not on just the drug addicts but the mentally impared to the privatization of prisons mental wards and drug dens ! That waste money u are fools ask for a reciept of where he saves ur hard earned money ! Look at some of the double dipper salaries ! He is a great salesman !

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O Con

9:46 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Let pot be legal and tax the hell out of it
sports betting to save AC
make prostitution legal and tax it

Mary

9:14 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

I happen to agree with Christie on this one. Mental illness does carry a stigma. Ignorance and denial is the real reason there is so many problems in todays wrong twisted world. It is not guns that kill people. It is people that kill people in many different types of ways. Mental illness happens to affect all walks of life and can strike at any time. Anyone that does not think so is ignorant and in denial themselves. I know perfectly normal individuals that lost it for different types of reasons. Something could happen to individuals that they can't process, understand or handle. Such as War, an accident, sickness death or divorce to name just a few. Then you have those who were born with mental health,emotional or might have a chemical imbalance issues that possibly received the wrong help or diagnosis. Lorraine Valente, I happen to agree with you. You hit it right on! We have children who become victims to all the adults in their lives. Most children do not have a say or control on all the decisions that are being made for them. Most people really don't listen to kids. People don't listen to People either. I agree it is all about money, lies, fabrication, denial...everyone is making money on this kid and zero help...everyone failed him and others paid for it. I do feel sorry and sick over all those beautiful children and the few courageous teachers that were stuck in the middle of something that went so wrong.

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l

3:15 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Guns kill people. Guns kill period. That is what they were made for. Who needs semi-automatic weapons? And who would keep assault weapons in their home when they knew they had a troubled unstable person living there? So it's both - people and guns both kill.

type writer

9:19 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

If Joe Camel and the Marlboro Man enticed people and kids to smoke, and Ronald McDonald and Happy meals entice people and kids to over eat and get fat, then wouldn't it stand to reason that call of duty video games and violent shoot em up movies entice people and kids to shoot and kill other people? We banned cigarette and liquor ads on television because they enticed people and kids to smoke and drink, then wouldn't banning violent movies and video games help to deter killing and shooting? Lets ban violent videos games and movies before we try destroying the second amendment to the US Constitution.

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Joe R

10:20 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Should we also ban ads for guns, rifles, ammo, etc. Should we ban those gun enthusiast rags that glorify guns, the gun web sites?

O Con

9:50 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Let the ppl vote whether or not to ban automatic weapons

I say ban them
Id like to thank the republican party for letting the assualt weapons ban expire and the Bush admin for failing the american ppl on this and many other issues

WMS826

10:21 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Mental illness needs to have a stigma to it so we keep our kids away from them and limit their contact with certain items and jobs.

When did it all of a sudden become OK to be crazy like a loon and have everyone look at you like an equal. You are not equal, you are nuts and should be limited in addition to being strealized so that you do not breed more kooks we have to pay for and protect us from.

This whole thing is about mental illness, so is crime in general. Many of these repeat offenders are mentally ill but not psychotic like this cat.

Mary

8:52 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

This is just a few examples. Society is one big lie and is what makes everything equal...They do the same thing in the schools. They want everyone to be the same. So they lower the standards for some students so everyone can come out being a straight A student that really does not deserve it. Rarely do you see B, C and even D's unless they really don't like you. They will take a student that has elite parents and make them something they are not just to satisfy the parents. Instead of the parents just excepting what their kid really is. It is not that I don't agree with you, but this is what our society has become. I blame all involved because everyone is just going along with it. Do you know how many whacked out teachers there is who is teaching our kids? Do you really trust the administrators, teacher or schools? People will just go right along with their school even when they no bad stuff is going on. Do you know how many whacked out psychiatrist there is? Plenty, they usually have more problems in their households. Do you know how many people that should not be in the jobs they are in but they are because our screwed up society put them there because all the stupid laws that are in place that should not be. You need to change some of the laws. I have seen teachers, coaches do some really mean things to kids to get them back for one thing or another. Just because a parent spoke up or reported them. That is right. You can't report them or else.

Mary

9:05 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

WMS826, BTW, Do you know how many unstable police there is? There is plenty of them too. Some are whacked out before they become police and even those who weren't wind up being after they are on the job for a while. I knew friends of mine who took the police test and I was like, Wow... if this guy becomes a police something is wrong with our society. Guess what? Some became a police, and a few failed the psychiatric test and it was fought and they also became police. I feel it is our "SOCIETY" in general, it is what we allowed to happen and become. All our "Leaders" have failed the test instead of fighting for what is truly right and now everyone has to live with it. I doubt it is going to change. You would have to change a lot of laws that were passed because a lack of spineless leaders that could not stand up and say "NO" Some have grown to love a lying cheating society because everyone is making money on it all. Some like to be lied to and in denial rather than hear the truth. It is to hard to change all the corruption going on everywhere. God Bless Everyone!

Lee Lee

10:30 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

Olivia dunham YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP and THE KEY THROWN AWAY!! You are one sick woman to even think like this! I'm sitting here hoping you don't have children that you are raising, one only knows what you would be teaching them!! Go find a rock and sliver under it forever you sick and twisted individual!!!!!

Maria

10:53 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

Hahahaha Mary ! Unstable Police I aren't kidding lmfao !!!!!!! U are so right ! Amen ! Hahahahahaha

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WMS826

10:57 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

I aren't kidding...guess you must be a democrat.

Maria

10:57 am on Monday, December 24, 2012

There's cops out there that some arent qualified to be Walmart greeters ! I totally agree with your statement ! But there are a few good ones that haven't been tainted that love kids and really love to help ! But I have to agree some should not be cops they belong in rubber rooms ! Telling themselves how great they are !

Maria

12:06 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

Whoops typo no actually I'm not. Thanks tho ! ;)

Barney

12:20 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012

The LIBS think you can rehabilitate everyone.

N. Jon I. Twist

1:34 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Grew up in NJ --Now in CT I'll take Christy in a heartbeat He is what CT needs. In New Town Adam Lanza's mom worned r the baby sitter 10 yrs ago don't turn your back on him. She knew, but should have had him committed. Tough for a parent to admit that their child is that flauded. We need the "NUTS" in the cage where they can't hurt anyone. Banning didn't work before, why will it work this time?

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.

5:12 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Please take him to Connecticut. Can't stand him in New Jersey.

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I have spoken

7:58 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Get ready for 2016. Christie will you the next president of the USA. CT can't have him, we love him and he'll stay right here for now.

Joe R

2:47 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

The virtual "banning" of machine guns worked. Technically you can buy a machine gun or fully automatic weapon but there are many restrictions and regulations. We have a lot of problems in this country but to ignore the elephant in the room (easy access to semi-automatics, thousands of rounds of bullets and jumbo sized ammo magazines) is to be in denial. I am not for banning all guns and I didn't use any ad hominem attacks. Hope you all had a Great Christmas.

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Barney

2:48 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

It's not guns that kill people, it's HOLLYWOOD that kills people.

Maria

5:02 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Nuts in a cage !!!! We had those they were closed down !! And released. Into our communities w Ssdi ! Sex offenders collect it !!!! I'm sorry but. Criminals get the death penalty bring that back ! That would save some money !!!!!! N the nuts can go to nut houses and when rapist n murders are killed instead of spoon fed through the government nuts can afford the nut house ! N instead of paying 50000 per inmate a year pay for school security ! Hardly a liberal ! Bro and prob have more knowledge n education that u will have in four of your lifetimes !

Maria

5:07 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012

We still pay for a dr to administer death penalty 100000 plus a year !!!!! For what ??? Cut that job too Christie !!!! And all your double dippers just hired !collecting over six figures draining public pension funds !!! Retire ! Give a kid that got back from the military a job !!!! Or 5 that pays for double dippers !!!! He is a car salesman and great at it !!!! U all don't know his bullying tactics will hit ur pocket !!!! Google norcross ! Christie wanted to go after him and he cowered ! He only goes after the little people fattening the pockets of his own !! ! Hedge funds ! Ull c

frank rizzo

3:15 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

barney aka frank scheurman . what a pathetic troll you are. youre a retired teacher living off our taxes who complains about teachers and unions when you yourself are getting a tax payer funded pension. it didnt take long to find out who who you really are " barney" . also can someone sterilize olivia dumbham while we,re at it? he offensive use of words like "sterilize all retards" put her down for honorable mention for "lacey nazi of the year" .

Francis

3:30 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

I agree and im a teacher on pension just like B lics

O Con

9:50 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012

Let the ppl vote whether or not to ban automatic weapons

I say ban them
Id like to thank the republican party for letting the assualt weapons ban expire and the Bush admin for failing the american ppl on this and many other issues

frank rizzo

3:49 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

at this moment frankie scheurman is scrambling to come up with some other goober-like moniker since his" barney" one has been blown. wait till the rest of lacey reads his bigoted rants now knowing who he really is. time for barney to go bye bye.

frank rizzo

3:51 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

oh and frankie you can flag my exposing who you really are comments all day long if you want to. i,ll still be here letting people know who the ugly little troll hiding behind his keyboard really is. like roaches behind a fridge frankie you are going to scurry when the light shines on you.

frank rizzo

7:54 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

someone give frankie i mean " barney" a smack to the back of his head . i think the tape got stuck. either that or he is developing tourettes

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Barney

8:08 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

I can't understand this. Where did you go to school?

Joe R

7:55 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

>>"Engish please."<< Bwa, ha, ha, ha, ha. Must be a new language? Lay off the booze, Barney.

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Barney

8:09 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Hey Joe, did you have your fruitcake last night?

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Barney

8:17 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Joe R.,

Here comes a compliment...

You are 10x smarter than Frank Rizzo.

Frank Rizzo makes Democrats look like the poor mooches they really are.

Keep up the good work Joe.

B-LISH

Barney

8:06 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

The little illiterate pudgy hog likes playing tough guy I see.

Have another canoli you little hump, and then get back to your basement.

Go back to school so people will read your posts and take them serious.

Barneylicous and family.

Barney

8:15 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Always remember folks, Barneylicous knows best!

When you need help or answers, always look to the handsome B-LISH for advice.

B-LISH also won't charge you a dime.

Joe R

8:21 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Frank Rizzo is very smart, expresses himself well and obviously has hit the target but with words not bullets. Shouldn't you be at target practice? Leave the gun but take the cannoli.

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Barney

9:11 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

No Joe R.

You are such a little inteligent mite. You are 10x smarter than Frank Rizzo.

Great job.

You are you!

What else can you ask for?

B-LISH....IOSO

Barney

9:21 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

For our intelligent mighty mouse Joe R.,

http://www.flavorwire.com/357874/on-sandy-hook-movie-violence-and-jack-reacher

PS: Joe, you are smarter than Frank Rizzo.

Barney

9:37 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Frankie must either be eating finger snacks with a 2.5 litre of coke in his mom's basement or his electricity is out.

Shirl R. Pilote

10:09 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012

There is a stigma attached to people who are overweight as well. We need to take a look at the real side of what has happened in Newtown. There are people in this country that are true criminals...the just have a criminal background...there are people that are consistently not going to follow the laws and just hate people in general. They have criminal minds...they work for criminals...they try and find the easy way out...we have to look at these people...and be prepared every day...always look behind you when you are walking; lock your doors at night; don't take chances, and protect your children in every way you can. There are too many people in this country that retaliate. Retaliation is the biggest crime of all. Keep abreast of the news; because the crime you thought would never happen happens.

frank rizzo

12:11 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

if anyone cares to see the truly pathetic in action just check out the ryan lanza gun thread that barney (aka frank scheurman) spent all christmas day on spewing his bigoted hate filled nonsense on.poor barney no friends, no family so his christmas was spent in his boxer shorts in his rented trailer home typing out his incoherent trash talk. its truly sad. sad little barney.

frank rizzo

12:17 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

just look at the time stamps and sheer amount of drivel filled comments " barney" makes all day on the patch. no friends, no life and no job barney here gets his little "barney off" spending endless hours on the patch while we the taxpayer pay for him to sit at home and wait for the check. .lately he is barely getting the whole comment in before the commercials during oprah are over. sad sad little barney. or should i say frank scheurman. what a sad little pimply troll you are living off all of us.

frank rizzo

12:27 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

barney typing away his drivel on here from 9 am to 9 pm. time to get a life barney (i mean frank scheurman)

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Barney

1:11 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

English anyone??? I'll take some English please???

Fred M

1:11 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

I am surprised Barney hasn't attacked your family members yet Frank. He usually starts trashing wives and children..He still has his mommy make him lunch everyday. His only mission in life is to complain about Pot holes on his st...He refuses to go to council meetings and complain..Imagine him complaining at a meeting and his identity exposed? Never Happen. .

Fred M

1:31 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Intelligent comments please

Barney

1:34 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Petition to deport CNN’s Piers Morgan over gun control is countered by one saying the UK doesn’t want him back.

The Brits don't even want him back. What's it like to be a liberal born in a different country and tell Americans how to live??

Tough life Frankie Boy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cnn-piers-morgan-center-petition-tug-war-article-1.1227499

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Francis

10:12 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

B Lush

300 million ppl vs 31400 red neck?

How about this
we put it up for a vote in Nov to ban assault weapons
the only purpose of assault weapons is to kill ppl

frank rizzo

4:15 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

barney (frank scheurman) today you spent from 9 am all the way up to after 2 am posting drunken bigoted nonsense only you can understand. we the taxpayers are tired of funding your food stamps and your lack of desire to find a job or a life. sad little man. no friends , no family only the patch for little barney here to try and bully the people who pay his dole. sad pathetic little kkk parasite barney.

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Barney

10:11 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Folks: The real Frank Scheurman is the second handle of Frank Rizzo. Frank and Frank, get it?

Frank spends hours upon hours of stealing his mother's knishes and hiding them in his bedroom (basement).

One big sentence Frankie? No periods? Lovely. Thanks for sharing another cluster of illiterate jibberish for me to pass up on reading.

Where did you get your GED?

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~Barb~

10:20 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Pot meet kettle Frank. It's people like you and you idiotic comments that keep normal folks from reading or commenting on the Patch. The admin should wake the hell up and block your IP.

Barney

10:26 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Francis:

First off the real red necks in this country are the liberals. They can't make a living foir themselves without hand outs and always have their red farmer caps on at the rallies. Democrats also have 100% vote of the inner city welfare pool, so let's not get materialistic and derogatory by calling Republicans red necks.

Secondly, 40% of all homes own a LEGAL gun. I am sure over 50% of the URBAN LIBERALS have an illegal gun.

Guns are here to stay.

Might as well get one Francis.

They will be available after 10 million more that are back ordered go on sale.

Thanks to HOLLYWOOD, America loves their guns.

B_LISH

38% own guns.

Cosmo

11:45 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

frank, we need to ban people that don't use their real names on these pages. You know who I am as well if you are frank rizzo

Francis

11:55 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012

40 % of homes own guns said Barney Frank? really
so when its put up for a vote in Nov whether or not to ban all automatic weapons we already know the results

B Lush

Francis

12:03 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Babs from the Lacey rep club? is that you?
Barney the sound of music retired music teacher thats who you are creepy is what the students say
4 million red neck pro gun nuts 300 million targets
Ban all automatic weapons
Ban Super Pacs
Mitt wears and believes in magic underwear and did say fema was immoral
so I would hope that no republicons would be hypocrites and apply for fema
I would hope they would also return their SS check and not file any new Medicare claims and put on their tea party costumes and return to their "goberment jobs"

Barney

1:14 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012

Ban Democrats from owning guns first.

URBAN LIBERALS account for more than 50% of all American gun related tragedies.

The Democrats can do this on their own.

frank rizzo

2:30 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012

cosmo . arent you kramer from the seinfeld show? lol

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Barney

2:59 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012

English please? Just so we can understand.

frank rizzo

2:45 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012

check out the dumb as a rock comment by cosmo who offers up " we need to ban people who dont use their real name " . yeah cosmo both you barney and babs here all as sharp as a cue ball.

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