Brick Announces Middle School Sports Fees; BOE to Vote On 'Pay to Play' Wednesday
Fees will be assessed on a per-student basis
Parents will have to pony up by Feb. 22 in order for their middle school students to participate in spring sports.
Superintendent Walter Hrycenko issued a statement Tuesday saying fees up to $376 per student will be assessed for middle school athletes who want to play baseball, softball and track and field this season. The Board of Education will hold a public meeting Wednesday, where members are expected to vote to enact the fee-based sports program.
“This fee includes stipends for coaches and chaperones, fees for officials, supplies, bus transportation and track tournament fees,” Hrycenko said in the statement.
Middle school sports programs were eliminated from the school district’s budget for the 2010-11 school year, sparking outrage from some parents in the community who flooded Board of Education meetings until recently.
Under the so-called "pay to play" system, participation fees for baseball and softball will come to $376 while track and field fees will come to $346. Students who receive free or reduced lunch cannot, by law, be charged participation fees. Parents must pay by Feb. 22 in order for their children to be allowed to play, according to Hrycenko.
Despite its moniker, “pay to play” does not guarantee students will make a particular team. If more than a predetermined minimum number of students express interest in joining a team, tryouts will held and cuts will be made. Students who do not make the team will have their participation fees refunded, Hrycenko said. Fees also will be refunded if too few students express interest in joining a team. According to a document obtained from the district, 22 players will be required to field baseball and softball teams, while 30 participants must sign up in order to establish boys and girls track and field squads.
According to the same document, stipends account for the lion’s share of team expenses. Coaches for each sport on the middle school level are paid $5,457 for their efforts. Busing is the next highest expense, coming in at $625 for baseball and softball and $5,600 for track and field. Busing is more expensive for track and field because all events take place off school grounds, a notation on the document explains.
Efforts were made to reinstate sports programs after the 2010-11 school budget was defeated by voters in April 2010, but a compromise between the board and the township council—the body responsible for cutting a specified amount from a defeated school budget—could not be reached. Middle school students went without fall and winter sports as a result.
In December, board member Vicky Leone said she was developing a “pay to play” option to bring middle school sports programs back to the district. A call to Leone’s home phone Monday was not returned. Likewise, a message left with school district spokeswoman Dina Silvestri for Board President Kim Terebush went unreturned Monday.
The board's next meeting will take place at 7 p.m. Wednesday at Veterans Memorial Middle School, off Hendrickson Road.
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
6:18 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Are they Crazy???? Do they think everyone makes the salary they do? I wonder why they are not RETURNING CALLS can anyone answer that question? What a joke Brick School system is turning into. Before you know everyone will be moving out of Brick and all the garbage in Lakewood can move!
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
6:21 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Let's think Little League is $150.00 they have batting cages and the season lasts longer what should I put my child in $375.00 where the season is over my May early June or $150.00?
John Barton
6:54 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Fall sports were offered and not pay to play. Soccer and Field Hockey in the Fall, wrestling in the winter. I get it , basketball and cheerleaders don't count. Good try, I don't think so.
momof4
7:32 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Soccer had pay to play and they only had home games, teams did not travel to other schools, they came to us.
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
7:33 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
My son did cross country in the fall and we had to pay 50.00. That was not big deal but to pay $375.00 that is crazy.
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
7:38 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Yes that is true but how about at the time of away games we can pay for the buses then. Why when Pop Warner has the Cheer Compititons they use the township buses??? Why cann't we pay what ever the cost they pay?
Tina Certo
3:49 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
In regards to pop Warner using school buses for cheer competitions, on the brick memorial side they do not use brick buses. They charter school buses from Murphy or another bus company and pay for the trip to competition. Brick buses have not been used in at least the past five or six years.
clamdigger
8:00 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
After doing some research I posted some income information regarding our schools "officials". Quickly I counted 13 school members that make over $110,000. I dropped off any of the last digits for their salaries, but totaled together just these 13 members totaled $1.5 mil. If kids aren't playing sports and members of our schools are making this type of money and people out there can't see there isn't something wrong with that picture, then this town has bigger issues.
There is no reason why our kids get short changed while people are raking in $ like this.
1st go to this website http://www.jigsaw.com/id455442/brick_township_board_of_education_company.xhtml
in that website at the top portion is a box with a scroll bar that lists names and positions held within the school, but also down and to the right is another box that pulls up other names and those positions as well, no salaries listed here on this website, it is just contact info for the school system.
To see salaries, go to this website Data Universe listed below
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=DATA
On the above website, is where your copying and pasting skills will be put to the test but you'll get some answers for some payroll questions.
Happy Hunting and you better have someone to hold you down there are at least 13 positions held that are making over $110k up to $180k for Mr.Hrycenko.
These are some of the salaries that are busting our budgets.
forthekids
3:12 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Clamdigger you are correct, talk about needing to trim some fat, how many principles do we really need??? All making 100k plus, the pigs continue to feed from the trough while our children get shafted, now I know why they can't afford to put after school activities in the budget, they are to busy making up positions and giving themselves obnoxious raises, disgusting. Now I understand why Governor Christie endorses charter schools, because of the greedy people like the ones running our public schools.
John Barton
8:08 am on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Why is paying for busses any different than paying for the officials and chaperones that run the home games? THINK ABOUT IT! What is the message the BOE is sending us? I can't figure this out.
UPR530
12:23 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
While I agree about the importance of sports for students on all levels, and I agree that making them "pay to play" can be awful, I can only help but wonder WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR! Or the year before. Or the year before that and so on.
For years, the other extracurricular activities (such as the arts), have seen their budgets reduced or even eliminated from the schools. Sometimes, our children had to pay in order to participate or attend an event that required a school bus. But of course, many of people weren't there to voice your opinions when they slashed the arts.
Again, I believe that all extracurricular activities (sports, arts, academic and service) should be available for free to all the students. Just know that other activities have seen diminished funds in the past and many people didn't object for them.
forthekids
1:39 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Under the so-called "pay to play" system, participation fees for baseball and softball will come to $376 while track and field fees will come to $346. Students who receive free or reduced lunch cannot, by law, be charged participation fees. Parents must pay by Feb. 22 in order for their children to be allowed to play, according to Hrycenko. This guy is the worst super ever he makes a 180k per year while eliminating all after school activities for Middle School, so what about the kids who receive free or reduced lunch rates?? Are they not going to be able to participate, they did this in Howell and it was a train wreck, kids whose parents had money were able to play, now what is a coach supposed to do when all kids are paying almost 400$ to play?? In high school they don't play the best kids because of nepotism, see Brick Football and Basketball, what is going happen when little Johnny is sitting the bench while mom and dad paid $400 for him to play??? Why can't we be like all of the other middle schools in Ocean County and find a way to put it in the budget??? Every other Ocean County middle school has sports and extracurricular activities except Brick!! WHY????? Because of the overpaid administrators who get fat on the taxpayers, that is the main reason, the other, to many under qualified people on BOE who are puppets for the Super, Business Admin, and Town Council, great job guys, way to ruin opportunities for out middle school children like no other town in Ocean County.
Daniel Nee
1:58 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Chris,
The kids who receive free/reduced lunch do not have to pay anything, but they can still participate. The district estimated the number of children who are on free/reduced lunch in each school and factored the cost of those students participating into the rate that everyone else will pay. The cost for the students on free/reduced is covered.
clamdigger
4:31 pm on Friday, February 11, 2011
Hi Dan, could you clear something up please. Who is considered "The District"?
thanks for all the time and effort you put in to writing and answering questions as well as clearing up things.
Daniel Nee
4:54 pm on Friday, February 11, 2011
clamdigger - By "the district" I really just meant district personnel. A number of people had a hand in developing the program.
clamdigger
5:12 pm on Friday, February 11, 2011
Dan, 3 other questions;
1) Would this include Brick Twp. BOE members as well as Brick Twp. school officials?
2) Would anyone else from outside of Brick Twp. be involved?
3) Would you be willing to tell us who was involved in the process and decision making?
forthekids
3:03 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Seems odd that kids who get free or reduced lunch can compete for free by law. Why should me and my children get penalized for paying full price for lunch, the school makes a profit on my children who pay full price for their lunch and then they have to pay $400 to compete in softball and baseball. Where are the laws protecting me and my family???? So now part of my $400 is going to students who are on the free lunch program and can play for free,so it it not truly a pay to play, only certain kids have to pay to play, any idea how many there are in Lake Rivera MS. This was a train wreck in Howell and will be in Brick, by the way how come Lake Riv had a wrestling team and a soccer team????? No basketball teams or baseball teams?? Doesn't seem to fair.
Ken Moglia
4:22 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
What an absolute disgrace charging kids $376 to play baseball when many families in Brick are already struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over their head.
My son was on the team last year as a 7th grader and played in about 75% of the games with a roster of 15, what’s going to happen when they have a team of 22 players, how do you coach baseball with 22 on the roster? When several of the kids don’t get to play should the parents ask for part of their money back? Is there any guarantee that all players will have equal playing time?
Kids who already get a free pass on lunch don’t have to pay? No way, this is Brick, not Colts Neck; we all struggle to make ends meet, free for one should be free for all!
This is what happens when incompetent people are elected to positions of authority. Did the BOE member who came up with this crazy scheme really think this was a good idea? I truly question the ability of most of the BOE members including the Superintendent to run our school system.
On February 9th we should all demand that the BOE members involved in this foolish plan resign immediately, they are obviously too incompetent to hold positions which have the potential to shape our children’s future.
John Barton
5:00 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Now a coach will keep everyone that trys out because if they don't they won't have a coaches stipend. There will be kids that will never play but they will make a team so the minimum quota can be reached.
There is nothing anybody can say that can justify the actions that are about to take hold, the public can only voice there displeasure, the vote will come and the public will be told the BOE offered and we didn't use the opportunity.
The kids should show up to the BOE Meeting and tell how they waited until they were 8th graders and then the teams were not made available. Lets be fair to the kids and deny the BOE a chance to make this happen the way that they have set it up. Sports can be paid for if BMHS turns off the A/C that BTHS doesn't even have. The savings in utilities would easily fund a Spring season for both Brick Middle Schools. If you need me to suggest this to the BOE ask at Wednesday's meeting, I'll tell them.
thomas nerney
7:08 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
what a sin not 1 comment abouit the person who caused this... the guy with the torture kit.. refusal to tax the rich and lose 400million in fedral aid.. but wait till voucher are given for prvate school kids.. you know were $ will come from i give 1 guess
clamdigger
8:57 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Hello Thomas, the NJEA union is the cause of this problem. Years and years of salaries, pensions and low cost health care plans that have cut so deeply into our school budgets. This is not the fault of one governor, this problem has been building for decades and now the chickens have come home to roost.
The NJEA knows the budget for every single town down to the penny,every single year and they are out to get as much money from that budget for their union workers so the NJEA can get their cut, they could care less for the kids and it shows. It's time to bust that union and give the kids our money's worth.
John Barton
9:07 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
Do you want sports to be reinstated? At what cost?
Ken Moglia
10:06 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
John,
Please present your thoughts at tonights meeting we need someone who really understands the system to resolve this issue.
I don't want to pay for school sports, it was free for me when I played but understanding the current financial crisis I would be willing to pay $50-$100 with the stipulation that the teams carry no more than 15 players for baseball and softball.
Doug
11:22 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
We already pay. It is called taxes. The BOE had, I believe, $142 million budget in 2010. That is approximately 60% of our property taxes. They have proven to be incompetent and greedy. They just don't like being exposed for what they are. Shame on you citizens for asking them to answer for their actions. You should be thankful that they let you speak at their meetings. That is their attitude towards the public and the citizens of Brick. They get enough of a budget, they just don't know what the hell they are doing.
clamdigger
6:44 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Is everyone aware that out of the Brick BOE and its millions of our dollars that 84% of that is allocated toward payroll.
Let me say that again for those that r e a d s l o w l y;
84% of the BRICK BOE budget goes toward payroll.
That means only 16% of our money goes toward the upkeep of the schools and busses and keeping them functioning.
We have 13 schools and a little over 10k students. I believe that's part of the problem, too many schools. I believe we should find a way to consolidate schools and sell off the property of schools that close. If we need to build, we build. There's tons of land at Vet's, why not add a 2nd or even 3rd level to those schools. Something needs to be done about reducing our payroll and putting the money back to work for the kids.
84% of our tax money to payroll is obscene. Imagine running a business and having 84% of your income go to just payroll, it wouldn't work.
John Barton
9:13 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
As an Executive Board Representative of the Middle School League in Ocean County, I would like to start by saying , if Brick had established middle school football and middle school volleyball like many schools in the county had, then they would now have enough to cut out of the budget so that the popular middle school sports could have survived the budget crisis. Unfortuantely, Brick doesn't have an interested enough representative for sports attending the middle school meetings and that representative never pushed for the programs before when money wouldn't have been an issue.
Now, budget is an issue! What if all of the sports programs that raise funds throughout the season put the left over money into a general sports fund. I bet there is enough to run every sport that Brick wants to see run.
I too agree that although folks are trying to get this issue resolved the Administration has sent a message to the Governor and the BTEA proposal to help wasn't worth a dime. The true issue is that there are no rateables in town and the taxpayer is going to be burdened for anything that is going to cost money.
I hope all of the parents that are frustrated share their feelings at this meeting. All of the BOE members must have had a say in this!
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
9:26 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
LETS ALL BE HONEST NONE OF THE BOE HAVE CHILDREN IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. VICKI THAT IS ON THE BOE HAD ONLY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO BY HER SAYING LETS DO PAY TO PLAY IT WAS NOT COMING OUT OF HER POCEKET OR ANY OF THE OTHER BOE MEMBERS!
Paul Pallante
10:46 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
I posted this originally on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 ; see this article available at this link for more info/comments on this matter:
http://brick.patch.com/articles/school-board-meeting-discussion-on-middle-school-sports-cancelled
In all fairness to the 'sports' family and young athletes, should we also advocate elimination of drama, music education, band, forensics, etc. as well? They are not 'required' and are not necessary to the education of our youth. Private music instruction, community theatre and the like are all available to our kids who choose to participate. I say this only to point out that all of these activities, the arts, music, athletics, debate team, glee club, band...they are all part of how we develop a good society and good citizens. One cannot be removed or the road is cleared for all to be removed at some point because board members see it as a way to cut costs while aggravating the fewest amount of people. Save one and possibly save them all.
Paul Pallante
10:58 pm on Tuesday, February 8, 2011
This Board continues to make a mockery of our township. Has anyone considered what these actions do to property values when our middle schools lack what surrounding communities have? They lied when they told us that 'all the other districts in Ocean County don't have Middle School sports'. They do. Districts found a way to make it happen. See my comments above. They pull out the smoke and mirrors and cry about the lack of state aid. 'Hey, look over there!'...while they hire another administrator. They have become quite adept at pulling the wool over our eyes at a significant cost to our kids and town. Find another way to cut costs. Get out the cleaver and trim some management like most companies do in times of financial distress or reduced revenue. We need to organize...any volunteers? [yes I'm serious]
Ken Moglia
10:08 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Paul,
I will be glad to volunteer, you can find me on facebook and I will also be at the meeting tonight.
John Barton
6:18 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Me I volunteer - Lets meet at the BOE meeting tonight!
Ken Moglia
10:11 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Look me up on facebook or lets find a location to meet up at VMMS tonight.
thenaggingmom
7:22 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Disgusted that WE pay high taxes and my children get robbed of middle school sports and a high school that is out of control and falling apart!!THINGS NEED TO CHANGE....The BOE needs to start looking out for our children instead of themselves....I can't believe what they get away with.
thenaggingmom
7:25 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
GOING TO FILL OUT FOR REDUCED LUNCH OR FREE LUNCH ....SO I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!
Vera Fozman
12:04 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Why would you begrudge lower income bracket children, the opportunity to participate?
LAST NAME NOT TRUMP
3:56 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
HEY NAGGINGMON...you are right. no child should be able to play for free. it is a pay to play. i am a parent with a child in middle school who gets free lunch. let's get one thing straight. i dont think there is any parent who is proud to say they get free lunch because they are not raking in the dough!!! sooooo, "NAGGINGMOM" maybe, just maybe it is the most of embarrassing situations to come up every school year to have to apply for free lunch. maybe there is a child on the team who only has one parent with other siblings... SO I PERSONALLY FIND YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU WILL APPLY FOR REDUCED/FREE LUNCH AS RUDE, DISRESPECTFUL AND ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!!!!! i dont think it is right that my son will play for free but it is the law. i would feel obligated to do something,even if simple gatorade for the whole team every game or something. nobody should be free but maybe think before you speak your mind. i was totally 100% offended by your comments.i am not applying you have the $ to throw around. but remember there maybe someone worse off than you or even i. in the long run we all as parents just want one thing. we all want the right thing done for all of our children. i understand the frustration....my son waited his entire life for this opportunity and happy to get the chance. any parent who gets free lunch for their child/children should be grateful for that. that should not be applied to after school activities. we gotta stick together as a whole family!!!
Doug
7:04 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
We need to be kind to one another and point our disgust and anger in the right direction. All of us as citizens suffer the consequences of poor management of our tax dollars. Let's be thoughtful, respectful and sensitive to others that may have it even worse than our own individual situations. "WE" did not create this situation, "THEY" did. We just have to deal with it and/or do something about it. April is coming. Three seats are on the block. Let's get them out and replace them with new faces with new ideas and hopefully, meaningful solutions to our immediate needs for our children.
Does anyone know who is running in April for the available seats? Is there a website that we can go and see the candidates?
John Barton
7:44 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Go to face book and search Brick Middle School Activities. Join and invite.
Facebook.com - Brick Middle School Activities group site.
Doug
11:54 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
I searched for this on Facebook and didn't find it.
thenaggingmom
8:00 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
DOUG and CLAMDIGGER, I totally agree with everything you say , and truly I am a kind and caring person, but i'm just disgusted with this town and don't think it is right that WE pay high taxes and now are told we must pay to play , so now my children CANNOT play because I CANNOT afford it? ....Just saying it's not fair what is done for one family should be done for all families....
thenaggingmom
8:17 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
LAST NAME NOT TRUMP - I do a lot of thinking before I speak...if you are offended by what I say ,oh well the truth hurts.....You or Vera didn't comment on my question about "What do I do now ,Because I CANNOT afford pay to play , is the township going to help me out , serioiusly? or I just have to tell my children who LOVE soccer that they can't play? Look at the whole picture, what is done for your child should be done for mine!!!!!! Where is law protecting me? I don't begrudge you for the position your in , I give you credit for being a single mom with four children, I know how hard it is these days, we are all in the same boat,but do you see my point , Why should your child play and not mine...I'm not Trump neither.
BW
9:49 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
I got the letter yesterday when my son came home. It says right on the paper that the $376 does NOT mean your child will play, just that they will be on the team. WTH? If I am going to pay that much money for my son to participate, he had better get playing time I am not paying that much for him to be a bench warmer!
They are only playing 10 games. I agree with the other poster, it is cheaper to sign him up for little league, at least I know he will get to play.
John Barton
9:59 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
BrickMiddleSchoolActivities@groups.facebook.com
Please join and together we can ask important questions and we can be heard by the school administration.
John Barton
10:00 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
You join by going to Facebook and searching BrickMiddleSchoolActivities. You add friends by clicking the upper right corner of the group page.
BW
10:06 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
John I went to my facebook page and did a search and it says no page found. Please post the url for the page. Thank you
Ken Moglia
11:36 am on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Maybe we would have had the money if not for the legal fees of $57,000 charged by the BOE attorney’s while they were fighting the $21,000 payout to Mr. Persi.
They could have paid $21,000 that they owed him but choose to run up a $57,000 legal fee, so basically they wasted $78,000 in tax payer money that could have gone to the schools.
The Superintendent should resign tonight, as well as the 3 incompetent members. This is truly mismanagement of funds.
Vera Fozman
12:06 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Mr Persi deserves not one cent. He failed the children. To not proceed , would be a concession. Now what?
Doug
12:22 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
It is a contract Vera. Honoring contracts is just a basic principle. His contract stated 30 days notice for dismissal. They did not do that. Whether he was bad at his job or not. Pay him and move on. I can't believe that you could justify spending $57k to not pay this guy $21k. That makes no sense at all. I also have my doubts about the accuracy of the $57k number. I believe that it is higher than that.
We cannot blame the Governor for over inflated salaries and benefits. We cannot blame the Governor for telling people that there is no money for after-school programs (sports, music, arts etc...) and then go and higher another administrator. They are crooks and that is the bottom line.
Brickbobby
3:35 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Thank you Doug for handling Vera today! Do I need to breakdown the costs of filing an appeal? Tack on another $50k my friends. The lawyer, Pifko, who sits on the BOE should know how much it costs to file an appeal. He should also know about contracts. Sad to say, and as much as boob Persi was, the BOE owes him $21k. Bad faith on the BOE part. Persi initially sued for over $103k. A judge decided $21k was all we owed him. If you ask me, the judge did us a favor and now the BOE is appealing it! April can't come soon enough!
Vera Fozman
12:03 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Many communities throughout the state cut Middle school sports last year. Fov Christie tied their hands. He and his Admin Cried NO STATE AID! He doled out a 11% cut across the board, other than to his fav's of course. This year he is threatening another 5%. Read the APP this morning. You all take it's writing as gospel as it is. This time please do. athe academic #'s fall below state overall #'s. Is this telling you anything yet? Wasn't it Mr Persi who was bleeding the BOE coffers and mismanaging the overall system?
All of this reeks of misinformation spread like wildfire, spread via disengenous forked tongue,
Vera Fozman
12:07 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
*correction sp. Fov= Gov
Cheriee
1:12 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Great post Doug!
Doug
1:30 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Thanks Cheriee. I just don't understand half of the crap that goes on with the BOE and their line of thinking. These kids are getting ripped off of most of the basic things that we all enjoyed as students when we went to school. There will be no "do over". My daughter is in her last year of middle school. It certainly would have been nicer to her tell me about all of the opportunities of things to do instead of telling me all the things she no longer has. It is outrageous and evident that there are members of the BOE that will always put themselves before what is best for the kids and that is so disheartening and sad.
e-man
2:47 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
If we are going to have to pay for sports, then everything that is considered extra curricular should have to be paid for...no?! Is this town moving backwards? Whatever happened to one of the best school systems in New Jersey??? I guess it's all going to be about scholastics and forget the athletics! Let's remember the classic saying..."All work and no play make Jack a dull boy"! Axes and crazy thoughts and actions are not in line here, but think about it...we are taking away the "fun" part of school, and who is really okay with that??? Veyr sad!!!!!
Vera Fozman
3:09 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Lol.
Brickbobby
3:43 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Vera, I am sure you are laughing at your poor grammar! I have an idea, now that President Obama has quit his terrible smoking habit, perhaps you could write him a letter requesting that he donate his cigarette money to the Brick Democratic Club. I am sure you and Mr. Lamb could put it to good use!
David Fischer
3:26 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Are you telling me that, in a budget of over 125 million, the BOE is unable to find $6000 for each ball team and $11000 for each track team.
Recently, the BOE voted to change the medical plan for the employees and they said at the meeting that there would be a $300,000 savings this school year alone. Why not use that savings to fund the sports and extracurricular activities. Where is that money going to?
We could probably save another $20,000 by not appealing the Persi case (which we will probably spend $20,000 on to save $7,000).
Vera Fozman
3:44 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Doug-Your daughter will be afforded the opportunity to be involved with the sports of her choosing in High School next year, yes? Are you so disgrunteled becausee you have no other outlet for her after school now? I am just trying to figure out why only a few of a "certain" what appears to be organized group, are consistantly hurling insults and slanderous comments at folks they really don t know. Cheerie, are you by any chance related to Councilman Mathews?
Doug
4:11 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Using my daughter as an example because it is first hand knowledge and not hearsay. This is about the disservice to ALL of the children. They don't have a say in what happens, do they? I am disgruntled and the abomination that is happening with a group of people that have no clue apparently. They were elected to a position to provide for our children's education at the highest possible level and have failed. I am not sure where you get the "organized group" thing, but I don't know any of these folks that have been posting and I don't know you either. I just happen to be a fairly well educated citizen of Brick that can recognize failure when it display's itself. Mr. Pifko should know that they were obligated to abide to the contract and should have counciled them properly. Mr. Pifko should have also informed the BOE that the cost to challenge would be greater than the cost to abide to the binding contract. Now, they are planning to appeal at an even greater cost to the taxpayers and a profit to Mr. Pifko. He is a lawyer and he will be more than happy to continue this as long as they want because it means more money to him.
How can you not see this insanity? If your point is only defend your elected friends, then say what you will. I for one will be ignoring it.
John Barton
4:08 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
I'm trying to help , maybe this page is the Facebook page being created to help parents unite for this cause and other academic causes .
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_162752693774629&ap=1
BW
7:09 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Thank you John
John Barton
4:09 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
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Doug
4:17 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Thank goodness that there will be Three seats to fill in April. All 3 need to be replaced with different people. Get the word out people. April is our time to take action against this regime. Let's end it and get a fresh set of minds in there with people who may actually care about the kids.
John Barton
4:15 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
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thenaggingmom
6:37 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
TO"LAST NAME NOT TRUMP"sorry you were offended , but I am tired of non-citizens that live in this town absorbing my tax dollars that I pay ,that benefit them and their families instead of my children....I have three kids and NO, I can't afford pay to play for three kids, so now what ? Shouldn't my kids be able to play , I pay 8,000 a year in taxes? What about you? Do you pay taxes? So don't tell me nothing.....it's not fair!!!!!!!
LAST NAME NOT TRUMP
3:18 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
hey naggingmom......i am a full blown u.s citizen. i live in brick. i pay taxes. i am a single parent with four children. yes, single and yes four children. there are families out there that do need a little help. some of us struggle to put food on the table. some of us have our homes in forcloseure, there are families losing homes. ......any other rude comments????????? we need to stick together!!!!! it is US against THEM!!!!!!!! it is all their poor planning and we all feel taken advantage of. as i said i would be entitled to play for free but would feel obligated to help out where and when i can. reguarless of how big or how small i would feel my duty as a citizen to contribute. nothing should be free for anyone!!!!!!
John Barton
4:16 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
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thenaggingmom
7:06 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Vera -I see you spend a lot of time on this page, and NO ONE really likes what you have to say.
What should I do , I cannot afford pay to play for my three kids? I pay high taxes and "other" children get to play and NOT MINE !!!!! Is that right? A tax paying resident and my children can't play? Makes NO sense. Had all intentions on going to meeting , but do to health reasons I could not attend.
thenaggingmom
8:21 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
OOOOOOOOOOOOOh, Vera what's the matter you have NO answer for me?
BW
7:13 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
I signed my son up for little league this year. I REFUSE to pay the district for him to play baseball, especially after the letter they sent home tell me just because I pay their rediculous pay to play fee, that there is no promise he will get equal playing time. At least I know with little league he will get the chance to play as much as everyone else.
LAST NAME NOT TRUMP
3:23 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
i soooooooo agree with "me".... i know at little league all kids get there fair chance. thats why i also have all my children registered to play at little league/cal ripken. why would i pay and my children not even see the field????? whats going to happen if they do not get enough kids because of the rediculous fee and no guarantee a child may get any playing time at all?????? this is just so sad all of our children are facing these tough times because of some brainless fools!!!!! IT IS ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN RIGHT??????????????
Cheriee
7:24 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Vera, I am not related to anyone that you know and that's a good thing as far as I am concerned. I do have a question for you though, how come everytime you don't like what someone has to say you accuse them of being related to someone or being in someone's back pocket? You act like a child, I think you are some 12 year old who hacked into their parent's computer. Go back to watching Nickoledeon and leave the politics to us mature folks.
BW
7:35 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
While I agree I do believe politics has no place in education. This is why our schools are screwed up because people put politics before the education of our children.
With that said we pay Edwards and Hyenrko 400k a year between the 2, give or take a couple thousand. Why dont we have them give the 100k needed for these sports back to the district. Think of it as a screw up tax.
Vera Fozman
7:42 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Do your children do well in math and science?
Doug
8:02 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Vera, why do you constantly attack others when they don't agree with you or favor your political aspirations? From what I can see, most people here seem to be party neutral, except for you, of course. You joined these comments on this article defending your buddies on the BOE for foolishly spending our money to not pay out 1/3 of that cost to a contractual obligation and now they are ready to spend more of our tax dollars because they didn't win. A judge ruled, pay the money and take accountability for wasting our tax dollars for their own arrogance and egos.
Now, you are sarcastically bringing in someone's children into the mix? That is so very childish and extremely disrespectful. You even comment on my post saying my daughter will be in HS next year, so she will have sports available to her then. You are apparently completely clueless. She should have had them available to her for the last two years. Tell your friends on the BOE not to take 4.9% raises on their already bloated salaries and put that towards the children, or is that just how your party works? I for one do not favor one party or the other. I favor right from wrong and your friends and party members are just WRONG! Why can't you admit that or really see if for what it is? Are you really that clueless?
BW
8:20 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
As I stated before, politics has no place in education. BOE members are SUPPOSED to be party neutral. If they can not be, then they must resign. Plain and simple. I am so sick of hearing "we are doing this for the kids" and then get a note from the teachers begging for donations of basic supplies.
April can not come soon enough. I will NOT vote for anyone who is currently on the BOE nor will I vote for anyone I know is politically involved in any way shape or form.
Vera Fozman
8:40 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Then you should be ashamed, at all of the political posturing all of you have playing out on the threads. Why aren't you here @ the meeting?
Doug
9:01 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
OMG Vera, you are so right! Life and obligations should stop because the BOE is going to spew excuses to the public and tell us all, again, how "it's all about the children" or maybe they will tell us how lucky we are that they allow us to speak, but we have to put a timer in place and cut you off so we don't have to answer your questions or concerns.
My so called "political posturing" will be done in April when these 3 crooks are ousted from the seats that they are sitting in now. Just like the last election. We got rid of two of them, now the next three need to go.
So, no, I am not ashamed at all. I quite certain that "all of us" will be heard loud and clear come April and I certain that there are 3 members on the BOE that will be reading all of these posts once a certain Democrat someone goes running to tell them about the "evil citizens" revolting against the tyrannical regime.
clamdigger
10:30 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Doug...Vera's whole life revolves around the support she dis[plays toward anything pertaining to the Democrat party and she knows it. She'll try to rip through anyone who displays Republican or Libertarian view points and demonize anyone who is against cutting back on taaxes, gov't spending, salaries or unionized/socialistic points of view. She'll demand answers from one party and look away at her own party. The BOE members up for election will find out soon enough how the public feels about them and the decisions they've made pertaining the children of this town,because that's what they're suppose to be about, the kids. This has been the worst BOE in this Twp's history and I hope they're happy with the damage they've produced. They've been gutless & spinless except toward the public and completely self centered regarding the "work" they've done.
Doug
10:43 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Thanks Clamdigger. It is very apparent after an entire day of pointing to the Press. This coming from the same person that bashed the Press during the snow storm debacle. I am proud to be independent and a free thinker. Wrong is wrong and not affiliated to any party. I don't care if we elect space aliens as long as they do the right thing for the kids and put the kids before their own political games and agenda. April will have so many wonderful things. Spring, warm weather, flowers and trees blooming and three people driving away from their former positions. Maybe they should have thought twice before they treated the public like idiots and morons.
Vera Fozman
10:13 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Red Bank removed all sports from the Middle Schools last year, as stated in this morning's edition of the Ocean County APP. Their reason for doing so, was due to the lack of State Aid. Christie loves to cut aid to education. His people released a memo today, threatening to cut an additional 5%. Blame the Governor and the Mayor's who play ball with him.
Doug
10:30 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
How many times are you going to post the same crap. Stop pointing fingers. The state is in trouble and it all starts with the local governments and their greed and poor management. I can go on for quite a while at all of the things that this current BOE has done to this system and our schools. Even doing shady things like holding "sudden" meetings at time that are not conducive for the public to attend, denying OPRA requests to disclose money trails and the list goes on and on. Don't keep pointing fingers! On the other hand, please do. It gives people a chance to see just what "party loyal" people, like yourself, do to distract from the real issues. You are providing plenty of information as to why we, the voters and citizens, should vote these people out the door. Come April, I am fairly confident that is exactly what you will see. This town is fed up and it is time to make some changes. Bye Bye
clamdigger
10:43 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Vera dear, you previously stated that towns all over the state have cut middle school sports, yet you fall back on just one,Red Bank. Are there others??? Also, if you can, answer this question, where should the State Aid come from...and please don't answer the from the state.
How about we scrub all contracts w/ the NJEA and start from scratch, get back to basics, start holding teachers, principles and superintenednts accountable. Get rid of tenure, cap out salaries so no one inthe school system makes over $100k p/year,mandate all those in the education system pay for their healthcare on a fair basis and finally revamp the retirement issue.
Doug
10:46 pm on Wednesday, February 9, 2011
Maybe these Democrats can plant a money tree. :-)
Vera Fozman
7:21 am on Thursday, February 10, 2011
Clamdigger, I am not your dear. Thank goodness. Towns throughout the state have eliminated and or cut back on 7th - 9th grade sports. The reason I pointed Red Bank Middle School's out today, (you know very well why) it was featured as an example in an article, on the front page of today's APP (Ocean county) edition. You know very well Gov Christie made terrible errors when looking for Federal Aid. He messed up at the expense of NJ's children. The budget never gets passed. You wish to assault every teacher and BOE member along with each and every Administrator. You wish to strip the entire Education system down to a shell? Are you akin to a Nation builder? Wow, this is heavy stuff. I figured you to be Union hater. You just showed your cards.
clamdigger
4:40 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
hello Vera, Yes you are correct an error was made regarding funds from the Fed, but it was a minor error which could have been corrected easily if the correction was ALLOWED to be made. Apparently Mr.Obama and his staff were unwilling to overlook the error and DENY the State of NJ the necessary funds. Maybe it's the presidents way of getting his message across to the new Gov of NJ, since they are not of the same party. I can't help but believe that if it was Gov Corzine still in office the "error" would have been over looked and we'd have the funds.....so I blame the President for our kids not having the federal funds they deserve.
As for being a "Union Hater", I don't hate the unions, I despise those that run them. I despise what they have done to the great companies of this country with their demands and strong arm tactics. I regret that companies, states and local townships didn't have the guts to stand up to the unions and deny the numerous contracts that have come home to roost and are crushing our country. I despise those in gov't that caved into the unions, sold their souls to the unions for a few votes and then laid the ground work for the problems our country is experiencing now. Unions have played their part in this counrty, there was a time when they were a necessity for the protection of the workers, but those times have come and gone.
Vera Fozman
8:54 am on Thursday, February 10, 2011
The Little League program in town is excellent. My husband is a former coach from the early 1990's. He also Coached Pop Warner Mustangs back then. Both are excellent programs.
These programs are fabulous alternatives, affording children the opportunity to participate in sports exponentially.
Arnie
12:55 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
I was also a coach for Pop Warner back in the 90s, so what's your point? What does your husband being a coach have to do with anything and how does that make the programs excellent? You do a lot of talk.
Cheriee
12:58 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
Arnie, Vera stayed in a Holiday Inn Express too many times...... next she'll be claiming that someone in her family is a surgeon.
John Barton
4:18 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
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And .... Did you get the part of the BOE man telling off the Admin about the teacher's union president.. WHen has the BOE been negotiating on tghe side of the teachers. Maybe the only voters are teachers - he only talks to votes. The union president never went back to the classroom - he was a coach for Math, walking around doing nothing.
John Barton
4:20 pm on Thursday, February 10, 2011
Now, the savings the BOE made on changing the insurance which two BOE members disagreed with is now in limbo too. The BOE throws another carrot, the public is being trained like dogs.
tuna stick
9:28 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
There are leagues in the area that cater to these ages. Whether they are basketball, baseball, or soccer, they are available to anyone. While there is always some sort of cost for playing in these leagues, it is a lot less them what the schools are asking for here. Fact is, there is NO NEED for middle school age children to offered this type of activities on the tax payers dime. It's more of a money maker for the coaches (teachers) looking for a little extra bucks. If the BOE had the guts to stand up to the people making nosie about this issue, they would find that the majority of the tax payers would be fine with dropping ALL MIDDLE SCHOOL SPORTS.
BW
9:37 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
That should go for High school sports then too. We pay over 600k per year for 40 kids to play hockey. Why do we need 50 football coaches in high school (yes sarcasm). If Middle school kids have to pay to play baseball then so should high school kids. What's good for one should be good for all!!!!
Doug
9:40 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
I do not agree with this at all. Sports in school teach things to our children such as sportsmanship, team spirit, school spirit, learning athletic skills that can be enhanced so that they are more prepared to play at a high school level, keeps them involved in school and so many more things. It is not as black and white as some statements seem to lean towards. The main issue here is the mismanagement of taxpayer money. Middle school sports programs is just the vehicle and driver of these outrages by the Brick citizens. It cannot be argued by the current BOE that there are no funds for these things when they are giving themselves 4.9% raises in the worst economic times since the 1930's, hiring additional more administration, but complain there is no money etc... We don't need more administration, we need an administration within the bounds of the available money to do a stand up job. There is so much money that is wasted (take the appeal of the Persi issue for instance) and on things that, if it was properly managed, could have saved these programs and we wouldn't be having these posts on this topic.
John Barton
8:28 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
Yes most don't care about the cut. But the parents are being offered sour grapes - the offer was not worth the amount of time the BOE spent on making it. So why can't the BOE become productive and make things work?
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clamdigger
5:10 pm on Monday, February 14, 2011
Tuna Stick, our family knows a large number of families that send their kids to a private school here in Brick and are very happy with the education that is provided there, tuition is just under $4k per student per year, is a preK thru 8th school and enrollment is less than 900 children.
Many of those people have children who play in the schools' sports program, the cost for that is $100.00 (for JV & V basketball,and soccer, not sure what the baseball, track, volleyball teams require) which includes a $50 refundable uniform deposit.
So basically for $50.00 kids are playing sports.
There is no "bussing provided" all transportation is the responsibility of the parents. Coaches volunteer.
tuna stick
10:42 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
High school sports are not the same as Middle school sports. You're comparing apples to oranges. High school sports generate not only an income stream for the school (you pay to be a spectator at events), but provide an intangible amount of pride for the schools.
However, if there is no money available for the schools to provide what is necessary to the academic curriculum, then sports, or all extra-curricular activites should be elimanated. Fact is that everyday across the nation high schools, and even major colleges make that determintion. Unfortuantely, it does come down to a financial matter. Where the money is spent, or how it is spent ia a totally differnet issue. That is where the tax-payers need to get involved. Either the BOE is doing the will of the people, or they should be held accountable to what they are spending the money on. That, Doug, I will not argue with.
BW
10:54 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
Your arguement makes no sense. High school sports generate pride in the school but middle school sports do not? Totally unlogical. The amount of money generated by high school sports ,ticket sales, doesnt even pay 1/4 of the pay for the head coach. Again unlogical. You can not give to one and not to the other, it is unfair. By children playing middle school sports, it teaches them the rules of the game, and prepares them to compete at the high school level. With that training, the quality of high school sports go down the drain as does your pride. No one is going to pay to watch a bunch of kids lose because they dont know how to play the game. Sorry but your arguement, again, is unlogical.
Doug
11:05 am on Friday, February 11, 2011
That pride and teaching was my point as well. I am a coach with BMAC and teaching the kids the basics of any sport that they desire to play is essential to develop prior to getting to High School. This is what needs to be at the forefront of the decision makers. Kids first. Not just the words at meetings, but the actions of their decisions. Can spew anything that I think you want to hear, but turning around and doing things that are counterproductive to what I told you only does one thing.
John Barton
8:30 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
I have a Middle School Scholarship and letters from Middle Schoolers that are thankful because the Middle School Sports programs put them into private high schools and gave them a jump into their careers.
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tuna stick
2:06 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
ME, you can disagree with my point, but unless you understand it, you're reply is meaningless (and the term is "illogical", not "unlogical"). High School sports cater to a young adult, not adolescents (middle-schoolers). Sure they can be taught school pride, but it certainly is lost on most 10 to 12 year olds. Team pride can be learned on the teams from the municipality (little league, biddy-ball). Your point about high school age players not knowing anyting about a sport unless learned in middle-school is absurd. Please, you are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. A good coach, on the high school level, can teach someone all they have to know about the game. No middle-schooler is going to a world class athlete because of their involvement in sports at that level.
Still the piont here is that the BOE has squandered away the money on other things, and now cannot afford to spend it on sports. That's a shame since the kids lose out because of it. The thought that the high schools will suffer because of that is ridiculous.
Doug
2:15 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Tuna, The disagreement about what is learned at what level is subjective, however it seems that most of us agree that the BOE has failed in putting the children first and squandered money away. To your comment about the high schools suffering being ridiculous, I would have to say that it really many not be ridiculous. If we allow this trend to continue and it becomes an accepted practice, don't be surprised if the high school sports isn't next. The BOE has become very comfortable with doing whatever they want and getting the public to accept through the "it is just the way it is" attitude. There was enough money there in the budget to not lose anything, but when you choose yourself over the welfare and benefit of the children, then it is time to remove those people and get new ones in there. Ones that truly care about the kids. We need to remember that they are responsible for all levels of education and don't think for one minute that the high schools are exempt from their tyranny.
Chris Van Winkel
8:47 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
UPR530 said this: "Again, I believe that all extracurricular activities (sports, arts, academic and service) should be available for free to all the students. "
Free?
Nothing in this world is "free"! Somebody has to pay the bill. And that "somebody" is the taxpayers of Brick, and we are quite literally TAPPED OUT! We've turned our pockets inside out and found only some lint.
We pay for YOUR child's education, and we pay a pretty sum for that. As far as sports or other activities beyond formal education, that should be totally the parents' responsibility. Next thing you know, they will want the taxpayers to be buying their kids iPads and cellphones, too. If you want these things for your kids, YOU pay for them.
BW
8:59 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
Who paid for YOUR children's education when they were in school? Did they play sports? Have art and music classes? Go on class trips? Have other after school activities? Who paid for all of that? Paying taxes is a part of life. However paying outragous taxes is not. Sports is NOT the reason your taxes are high. The reason they are high is due to the greed of district employees, favortism in granting contracts, and the ineptness of the BOE to realize what is going on. They are puppets, being controlled by those behind the scenes.
Chris Van Winkel
9:03 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
I chose not to bring any children into this world. It was a personal responsible choice on my part. But regardless, even if i did have children, I would still feel the same way. I would not have objected to paying for the things I would want my children to have. If they wanted to go to a concert and I agreed, then I would pay for it. I wouldn't ask the taxpayers to pay for it. if they wanted to play sports and I agreed, then I would pay for that, too.
My point is that the law requires the taxpayers to pay for the education of the children. It doesn't require us to pay for all the extras. Are they nice ideas and are they good for children? No doubt that that are. It simply comes down to the fact that if couples choose to have children, they need to be prepared to pay for these kinds of things and many more as the child grows older. It's called responsible parenting.
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
9:06 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
You are all complaining about paying for the sports which everyone has the right to if they voted for the budget. So if any of you that are b-t-hing did not vote for the budget last year stop complaining because you are part of the reason why we have to pa! And most of you do not vote for the budget because you do not want your taxes to go up. Well, HELLO the cost for sports in the middle school is more then what our taxes would have gone up.
Doug
9:10 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
That budget was bloated and anyone who read it, including the Town Council, knew it. Programs for the children get cut, but the can give themselves 4.9% raises and hire another administrator. EXPLAIN THAT!
Chris Van Winkel
9:11 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
"stop complaining because you are part of the reason why we have to pa!"
I completely disagree! The reason why you have to pay is because you should have been paying all along. It should never be the taxpayers' responsibility to pay for these extras for your children any more than we should be responsible to pay for their bicycles and video games. If you want these things for your children, it's very simple - YOU pay for them.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid that our Socialist President is dispensing! We didn’t sign up for a Nanny-state. People need to assume personal responsibility for the choices that they make and stop wanting everybody else to pay for the things they want. Enough with entitlements!
clamdigger
7:21 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
Chris and Tired of Nothing...hold your horses there a minute. When the cost of putting out a simple baseball team exceeds $5k for a coach who may put in by my estimate less than 75 hours, there's a huge problem. 75 hours outside of "school world" is less than 2 weeks work but that $5k paycheck prorates out to $10k a month which =$120k a year job. It's great that the schools can ask for volunteers in "some areas" but to have a volunteer in a position that is considered a position of authority is a no-no. THAT position has to go to someone who can get a nice fat check (and who probably doesn't even know which end of the bat to hold) but I guess the assistant coach can be a volunteer and carry the bucket of balls and the the bases.
Doug
9:10 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by
the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.
Doug
9:13 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
"Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, the
people, if well informed, may be relied on to set them to rights."
--Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789.
April is right around the corner! It's CHANGE time!
tired of nothing ever gettin done!
10:07 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
I agree but let's see if the budget gets passed. I know for a fact last time everyone said they were going to vote for it and they did not.. All I know if it does not pass all these people complaining need to stop because going to the board meetings is a joke. They all ready have there minds made up. The just like to watch the public get up and complain. Now do you really think they were going to remove or lower the cost. NO the were not!!!! SO IN APRIL EVERYONE GET OUT AND VOTE AND IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE AROUND MAIL YOUR VOTE IN
John Barton
11:09 am on Saturday, February 12, 2011
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tired of nothing ever gettin done!
11:12 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
First if you anything about how much coaches get paid in our district it is not 5k. That will be broken up to pay for head coach and assit coashes, buses, and afficials and just me they do know what end of a bat to hold. I had a newphew that played for Brick middle school and high school got a full ride to college and now plays with the minors! AND I AM SURE IT WAS NOT ALL THAT DADDY BALL FROM THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN!
BW
11:16 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
You are wrong. I have the break own right in front of me. $5497 for head coach. $500 for workers. $650 for officials. $625 for busses. Good for your nephew, too bad those of us with children in school wont get that opportunity if the BOE has their way.
clamdigger
11:57 pm on Saturday, February 12, 2011
Hello Tired of Nothing....if you read paragraph 7 of the article above, it clearly states;
"According to the same document, stipends account for the lion’s share of team expenses. Coaches for each sport on the middle school level are paid $5,457 for their efforts. Busing is the next highest expense, coming in at $625 for baseball and softball and $5,600 for track and field. Busing is more expensive for track and field because all events take place off school grounds, a notation on the document explains."
This is how I break down what the schedule may look like;
Coaches are being paid $5,400 to coach 10 games (confirmed by a parent who received a letter outlining the # of games for the season) and run a few practices.
So if there's three 1.5hour practices per week (4.5 hours of practice per week) and 1 game per week (2hrs), that's 65 total hours over the course of the season.
So for argument sake let's just say 75 total coaching hours. 75 coaching hrs divided by $5,400 = $72.00 per hour. 70 coaching hours =$77 p/hr. That's a nice chunk of change.
So maybe this will run for 12 weeks, which will include 2 weeks of pre season practice and still include the 3 practices a week each practice being 1.5hrs. That brings it up to 74 hours.
Last time I checked 74 hours is less than 80 hours which = two 40hr work weeks. Even if it was 80 hrs of time for the $5400 that's still over $67.00 p/hr. I just added another potential 6 hours for you now do you see it.
William Poland
10:23 am on Sunday, February 13, 2011
I would like to address another concern related to this article. At this BOE meeting, Miss Terbush decided to restructure the meeting and hold the public comment section before the agenda items were brought forth and discussed by the board. In reading the board's bylaws and NJ open public meeting act, I question whether she had the right to do so. Miss Terebush stated, essentially, that this was an experiment to see if it would help control the length of meetings. I not only question the legality of this change, but Miss Terebush's true intentions. Why wasn't the public allowed to hear the views of the board members before the public comment segment? In my humble opinion, this was a poor attempt at damage control.
John Barton
4:32 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
I didn't get a chance to speak. I decided to go home and open a public forum on facebook. Try it out, and add friends (upper right on group page click add friends)
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Vera Fozman
12:33 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
The very important item "Everyone" in Brick should be concerned with, is the FACT, the Mayor and Council are using the Board of Education Election, to sneak in their Referendum questions to be voted on. Everyone should call them on this total abuse of power. No doubt this is a true example, of how a broken system attempts to pull a fast one, knowing full well the voter turnout is much lower for the Board of Ed election than a Political election. Where is
the legality in all of this? Everyone should attend the next Council meeting, to demand an answer to this calculated move.
Doug
2:07 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Is that anything like sneaking in raises and hiring of administrators? Oh wait, I forgot that after almost 10 requests, you refuse to address those topics.
Daniel Nee
3:52 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Vera, please note that the township council, should they choose to put something up for referendum, MUST place it on the BOE ballot under the new cap law that is in effect. It is not a matter of "sneaking" anything onto the BOE ballot, it's a matter of the law requiring local questions to go to voters at that time. Please see the following article which appeared in the Burlington County Times for more information: http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/burlington_county_times/bct_news_details/article/2465/2011/january/21/state-tax-cap-referendums-will-appear-on-school-election-ballots.html
John Barton
4:33 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Thank you Dan - Your information is good. Keep up the good work.
William Poland
12:54 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Another question. Why was the meeting date changed at the last moment? I found out it was changed on the morning of the meeting. There also seems to be a discrepancy in regards to the agenda being properly posted and avaiable as per the board's bylaws. It feels as though the board is changing the rules in mid game in order to deflect and suppress.
Doug
2:06 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
It must be Christie, the Mayor and the Town Council's fault. :-)
Daniel Nee
3:50 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
William, the most recent meeting was a "make-up" meeting for a previous one which was postponed due to snow. The board's regularly-scheduled February meeting will take place Feb. 24 at 7 p.m. at VMMS. As for notification, the state's Open Public Meetings Act requires 48 hours notice, which the district did comply with in the case of this meeting.
William Poland
4:38 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Thanks Dan. I might be mistaken, but I thought the rescheduled meeting was originally set for Thursday night, not Wednesday.
Vera Fozman
4:22 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Dan, The Council President and Scott P. held a town update forum, on the Brick Twp Channel which I observed early this morning. During the update, their discussion included, how far all is going with the following projects; Traders Cove, The former Foodtown site, and finally, the Infamous Superfund Site "French's Landfill. It was stated by the Council President, it would be cost prohibitive to put the questions referring to these projects as referendums, on the ballot at Normal Election day. He followed by stating the reason for placing the referendums on the BOE Election Day Ballot, would save $67,000.00. If you would, I suggest you OPRA the segment. For the future, pleas do your dd prior to attacking the facts as so stated by me.
Doug
4:27 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
So what is your point? Saving the taxpayers $67k is a bad thing? The BOE should learn something from that. Saving the taxpayer money is something we actually like and consider intelligent.
Daniel Nee
6:14 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Vera, nobody attacked anything you said. I simply stated that the law (as per a DCA directive) requires referendums on items that exceed the cap to be placed on the BOE election ballot. Furthermore, I wrote a story on the potential for specific items to be placed on the ballot within a few weeks of this site's debut. It's on here, somewhere. I expect many, if not most, municipalities in New Jersey will have things on the BOE election ballots this year, given the new cap law. This isn't something that is unique to Brick.
Additionally, we've also had multiple stories on here about Traders Cove and French's Landfill. Haven't looked into the Foodtown site yet, but it's on the radar and it's one of the issues many people have asked me to inquire about. Expect an update soon, and thanks for the suggestion/reminder.
William Poland
4:49 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Look at the bright side. If these referendums are put on the BOE ballot, maybe we will have a substantial increase in voter turn out and save money to boot.
Vera Fozman
5:18 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Hey Sparkey, I'm all for sound, fiscal policy. Make no mistake. To Place referendum items brought forth to the good folks of our community, in what may be a very confusing fashion, is dishonorable and illegal. Especially since the greater of our population is comprised of the more mature adults, whom the pundits seem to have been targeting as of late. Why was this not announced in all of the local periodicals. Why as this not announced here? Something is not sitting right, and it smacks of a hidden agenda.
Doug
9:49 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Talking about hidden agendas? Now that is funny. That learning experience must have come from the BOE.
Vera Fozman
9:33 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Daniel.Nee@patch.com
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Residents may get to vote for which township services they want to keep in special referendum ballots this spring.
Gearing up for a difficult budget season ahead, Mayor Stephen C. Acropolis said that if the unions representing municipal employees do not reopen their contracts for negotiation, questions will be put to residents as to which services should stay and which should go.
Vera Fozman
9:40 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
The challenge centers on preparing a budget that stays within the 2 percent cap on expenditures that goes into effect for the upcoming, 2011 budget cycle. As it stands right now, the mayor said, it would be virtually impossible to stay within the mandated spending limit.
"The budget as it is right now, without layoffs … it's impossible to run next year's budget under the 2 percent cap," Acropolis said. "Obviously, if we get concessions or cooperation from the unions, and if we get the solar panels [at French's Landfill], that probably will get us close to where everyone will keep their job."
But if the public employee unions cannot come to an agreement on givebacks of some sort with the township, the voters may get to decide whether to exceed the cap to pay to keep certain municipal services. On the ballot could be public trash pickup and recycling services.
"We would ask the voters, 'what services do you want to pay for, and what services do you want to cut?'" said Acropolis. "If they say 'we want recreation or public works,' they'll vote to increase the cap and go over 2 percent."
Voters already had their say on trash pickup. Last month they voted overwhelmingly – about 93 to 7 percent – in favor of retaining public trash pickup in a nonbinding ballot question. If the question comes up again, most likely in April or May, voters will be asked to approve an exemption which would allow the township to exceed the 2 percent tax cap in order to keep public
Vera Fozman
9:45 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
sanittaion service. An exemption would pass only if 60 percent of voters come out in favor of exceeding the cap.
"If taxes go up, it's because people voted for them," said Acropolis. "If things get cut - not as many police officers or recreation programs - it's because people voted not to have those things. It's going to be like the wild West for a couple of years as people realize that their votes really count."
Vera Fozman
9:45 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Ballot referendums only come into play, however, if employee raises, healthcare plans and other benefits packages aren't renegotiated down to stay under the cap. If a ballot referendum fails to gain voter support, jobs would have to be eliminated. With so much at stake, some township council members indicated they were not comfortable with putting so much responsibility on the voters.
Councilman Dan Toth said under no circumstances would he support a switch to private trash collection.
"Personally, that is not even an option for me ," said Toth. "The township can collect garbage and recycling cheaper that any service can."
Councilman Brian DeLuca placed the responsibility on the unions, whose members may face layoffs if negotiations fail and the voters do not support exceeding the cap.
"We're doing everything to reach out to you [the unions], and if you don't want to help yourself, it makes my job a little easier," said DeLuca.
Scott Pezarras, the township business administrator, said Brick officials are currently looking at a $2 million to $2.5 million shortfall next year. The municipal budget is separate from the school budget, which will also be covered under the cap law.
Doug
9:55 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
All of this blasting of the Mayor and Town Council on a blog for an article about Middle School Sports. You are too much Vera. I am done with you and responding to your rhetoric, as I hope everyone else here is as well. By the way, thanks for answering my questions about the raises and hiring of the administrator. Oh, wait, you didn't respond. I wonder why that is? It seems to me that kind of ruins your credibility as far as I am concerned.
Vera Fozman
9:58 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Then they have the audacity to speak on a forum on the Brick Twp Television Station on a Sunday morning, to announce the referendum, inclusive of the the questions regarding all of the above beleaguered sites. As well as the once again potentiality of layoff of Township employees and Poliec Officers. This is all about FEAR. Think about all of the revenue earned from the Red lights w/camers's, which also free up police officers on the beat.
I don't buy the FEAR TACTICS. Brick Twp needs to be given back to the taxpayers. Stop the Power Grab by the Buddy System. Brick, to County to State. The County works for Brick, Brick works for the County. Brick and the County work for the State. How many paychecks do they need?
clamdigger
10:13 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Vera sweetheart, you seem to be in a tizzy. Have you taken it upon yourself to become our own local Ms."Keith Olbermann"? I can't wait to see your "Worst Person" portion of the program. Oops, it seems Doug already fired you, it seems you are following in Keith's footsteps.
Happy SaintValentines Day,
C/D
Doug
10:04 pm on Sunday, February 13, 2011
Someone here can't seem to stay on topic. Look over there and see what they are doing. Don't look right here, look over there. Sounds like a BOE meeting.
Cheriee
8:32 am on Monday, February 14, 2011
Vera, let me get this straight. If someone disagrees with you or provides proof via links to back up a statement, you consider that an attack? So what you are saying is that we should all just agree with you despite the fact that you copy and paste articles, pretend to pass them off as your own information and just plagarize everything?
Vera Fozman
9:02 am on Monday, February 14, 2011
You need to be more observant. Daniel Nee was given credit to his article I presented here. I found it to be quite informative. May I suggest you attempt to read it in full?
Cheriee
4:10 pm on Monday, February 14, 2011
Wouldn't posting a link be easier than taking up five comment blocks? I find it funny that you will address that part but you won't answer my question about what you consider an attack. You would make a horrible politician because at least they will go out of their way to either lie or smooth things over with a half-answer but you just ignore everything and hope it will go away.