Bay Group Still Critical of Traders Cove
Implores council against "gigantic" marina slips
The executive director of Save Barnegat Bay – Brick's once-partner in the Traders Cove redevelopment project that ended up opposing the township in court – came to the Jan. 17 council meeting and thanked council members for rescinding the contract to build a spray park at the site.
But Willie deCamp, a Lavallette resident, told council members he was against large boat slips at the site and the ability for boat owners to park near the entrance to docks on which their slips would be located.
"The most important thing going forward, to Save Barnegat Bay, is how intensive the marina portion is going to be," deCamp said. "My great caution would be that an application not be put in for a giant marina."
The issue over boat slips, as well as control over certain aspects of the redevelopment project, was the focus of a lawsuit brought by Save Barnegat Bay against the township, which was eventually dismissed by Superior Court Judge Vincent J. Grasso in 2009.
Following a joint lawsuit against a developer who wanted to build condominiums on the site, Save Barnegat Bay transferred its rights to the property to Brick when the township closed on it in December 2005. But a redeveloper's agreement – which eventually was abandoned – was the focus of a lawsuit between the organization and the township. That lawsuit also concentrated on the number of boat slips the marina portion of the park would hold. Save Barnegat Bay was in favor of reducing the number of boat slips at the site.
"They wanted control and approval over the development process," said Mayor Stephen C. Acropolis, adding that the court battle cost Brick $15,000.
"What we don't want to see is a park that looks like one giant marina," deCamp told council members Tuesday. "I really think that keeping an eye on the size of those boat slips, and the number, will be the thing we most need to look at going forward."
In his view, deCamp said, public view of the bay could be obstructed by too many slips designed for large boats or the availability of parking near the slips where boaters could leave their cars while out on the water.
Acropolis said the marina portion of the park is part of the township's plan to generate revenue from the site, and the price of slips there will be raised to market price for a non-full-service marina once the redevelopment effort is complete.
BW
6:16 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Can you say money pit?
Mrgrumpass
5:51 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Why are you always first to comment (Most always in the negative) on everything, you also seem to know everything about everything? Do you hover over your computer waiting for the Patch to post another story? How does a person carry on normal daily duties and always be all knowing and all over anything concerning Brick? It’s a puzzlement you and others like you seem to live the patch, that’s frightening!!!
George
9:20 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
I agree with you ME.
Lori Morrison
7:26 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
This is why the project has dragged on for years! Why couldn't the Town officials just keep it simple, the way it was proposed in the beginning. There is a marina right across the street that has always housed the larger boats, why try to compete with them? They pay taxes. What has become more important, the Bayfront park for fishing and crabbing and a small marina, or some big fancy claim to fame that needs to now generate revenue to cover the expenses incurred by the need to make it bigger and better. After reading the postings from the Red Lion's closing, people are sharing the memories of the time when Brick still had the sense of community, and truly cared about each other.
Brick Skeptic
9:40 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Right with you
George
9:23 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
I will be dead before this big money pit is ever paid for.
SB Girl
7:41 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Who was the genius that put the pavilion on the old bridge/fishing pier? How are fisherman supposed to cast with that thing right at the end of the pier?
Betty Ann Fuller
8:31 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
not sure who will fess up to that one.
Daniel Nee
10:38 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
That was a county project. It's supposed to give shade but, I was actually thinking the same thing. One of the most fun things to do over there fishing-wise is to cast poppers for snapper blues, which requires a good amount of thrashing around to use the lure correctly.
BW
10:42 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
I don think I would eat anything caught in the river. It is so dirty.
JHill
7:46 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Why why why does the government think they can make money and run any business efficiently and effectively? Please stop trying to claim this marina will make money.
I have a feeling the marina going to make money like the Post Office, Amtrak, and NJ Transit make money.
Dominick Rappoccio
9:08 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Willie deCamp gave the town a carrot on a stick. When he did not get his way he took away the carrot ($,$$$,$$$) and came down with his stick leaving taxpayers footing the bill.
Art Sholty
10:58 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
@Dominick..............right on my friend. Wilie is a con artist.
Negative complainers hate the fact that they don't like to hear the true facts. Willie lied to the citizens of Brick. No money $$$$$$$$$$$ was ever given as he stated. He reneged on his promise.
Mickey
11:15 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
Art, still waiting to hear whether or not you're planning on confronting Toth on all the allegations you've made on here.....or gonna just continue to snipe at him from a distance ? would enjoy seeing you put him on the spot, if you're telling the truth.
Mrgrumpass
11:45 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
Mickey
Why doesn’t Toth log on and either confirm or deny his public spanking? He has contributed on the patch before why not now?????
Mickey I’m still waiting for Danny who about you?
Mickey
12:50 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
"mrgrumpass"......they're all selective in their darts. one makes allegations with no proof, the other claims he's being kept out of the TC loop. I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the Department Heads need to receive a stipend...when they already get a salary..... and then as to an explanation why they have township cars is one I doubt we'll ever hear.
Glenn
9:10 am on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Would someone please tell Willie to go crawl under the rock where he came from. He's the one that started everything, joined Brick in the purchase, promised money, never paid up, ran when purchase was a done deal, then sued the town.
Shut this jerk up and stop printing his BS.
brickette1
3:19 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Willie will whine about anything that is done in the area. Brick should have allowed the condos in the first place. Think of all the taxes Brick would have collected by now. I think Willie's family, that lived across the bridge, just didn't want to look at condos.
Joseph Woolston Brick
5:27 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
brickette1, oh yeah, lets build those condos! THINK just more non access to public waters because of rich people who could afford those condos. As more beach area and water are populated by McMansions and Condos, the less the regular people of this town have access to them. You have to think of future generations! A park with condos, a marina and people using the park would have never worked in a milliion years, sooner or later the condo owners would be bitching about noise and God knows what ever else. Quit screwing around. forget about condos, spray parks and just make a nice place for the people of Brick to go and swim, fish, park their boats and generally have a good time. Condos, Brickette you want condos? Let's start by obtaining your house though eminent domain and build one on your property first.
Mrgrumpass
5:58 pm on Thursday, January 19, 2012
Mr. Decamp I truly think you should be dealing with life in Lavallette and looking at the summer trash that flock to your town! Decamp that’s definitely a condescending dilatants name!
Art Sholty
11:30 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
@Mickey
I do not have to defend myself, I'm not the one in trouble. You received a truthful statement now go and find your answer where ever it might take you. I report, you decide.
Mickey
4:40 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
I have decided...you make allegations and then when asked to show proof.....you run away. difficult to appear credible, when you can't corroborate statements you profess as truth. but then I'm sure you already know that.
BW
11:09 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Mikey here is the truth about Art
http://www.alfredsullivan.com/12-20-00.html
George
9:47 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Art did you get your job in Town Hall yet.
Mrgrumpass
11:49 am on Friday, January 20, 2012
Re-submitting for ME!
Mickey
Why dosen’t Toth log on and either confirm or deny his public spanking? He has contributed on the patch before why not now?????
Mickey I’m still waiting for Danny who about you?
Art Sholty
5:49 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Mr. Grump.................The truth will hurt him politically especially when he attempts to become mayor as an Independent. He can't afford to speak to anyone.
Art Sholty
5:45 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
@MICKEY.............Too bad, you are the loser. NOBODY EVER WON ANYTHING BY DEFENDING SOMETHING. Put an egg in your shoe and beat it.
Mickey
6:24 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Art...I just asked you to back up your statements about the Councilman...you obviously can't back up what you say, so you resort to name calling..... "nobody ever won anything by defending something" interesting quote you refer to.....lol.....I'll attribute this to as you say...your advanced years....please tell me you no longer operate a motor vehicle.
George
9:49 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Art did you get your job in Town Hall yet.
Dominick Rappoccio
7:19 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Mickey - He who speaks about faults in others by asking the same questions over and over again may have greater faults himself. Judging from your posts I don't think you would believe anything anyone would say. So why ask?
Mickey
7:51 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
someone makes countless statements/accusations about someone and when they're asked to support those claims.....the person asking for facts... is out of line ? do you normally just go about making decisions/or accepting what you hear..... without first finding out the facts ?
Dominick Rappoccio
8:23 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Me - You are right I am on the planning board! Dan Toth was on the planning board and is also a member of the town council. So what does that prove? Are you insinuating that when Dan Toth was on the planning board he did what he was told? I don't hide my name like you and Mickey so thanks for letting Mickey know.
Dominick Rappoccio
8:35 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Me - You questions make no sense...so no more questions please!
Seen Enough
11:07 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Dominick forgive "ME - its those photos on "ME"'s wall speaking to "ME"
Dominick Rappoccio
8:39 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Me - You still make no sense...Good By!
Dominick Rappoccio
9:13 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
"Mickey" and "Me" what are your real names? What do you have to hide?
Dominick Rappoccio
11:05 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Me - What is your name and address so I can have them stop and plow you out. Or better yet maybe plow you in.
Dominick Rappoccio
11:25 pm on Friday, January 20, 2012
Me - I looked back at my posts...I seen no name calling. Check your own posts for name calling for name calling. Good Night!
Seen Enough
12:27 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Looks like "Me" has been busy cleaning up, deleting posts and replies
Seen Enough
12:31 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
"ME" what happened to a corrupt politicians worse nightmare??
Art Sholty
6:12 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
@George, Yes I received everything I set out to glomb. Health was the main issue and its the CADILLAC PLAN. If you pay taxes in Brick, thanks. My Stock Market dealings are now back on track,there is a Cadillac (Elegant) in my garage along with a mortgage free dwelling and another villa on a golf course in Florida. The only thing I don't have is your trust and faith in me. Come on George be nice and stop hiding behind a false name, it is a rather insulting thing that you display being scared of retaliation. Don't be scared of me, I'm an old retired (PAID) firefighter looking for people like you to educate via the alley treatment. I'm harmless so why don't you come and meet me. I'm in the phone book, look me up chicken.
BW
6:21 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Art, who is John Bukowski?
Art Sholty
7:35 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
@ ME.....You read the article, now you tell me. I hope this hasn't dashed your hopes of seeing me look bad. If you noticed the writer abeled him as an alcholic boozer, 1st class. He was an incompetent lawyer/mayor. I had the proper plumbing to call him out as being such so therefore I had nothing to hide such as you, young lady. Go get your mamaries checked out girly. You have been located sweetie.
BW
7:42 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
LMAO ok Art. Funny he threw out all the summons you wrote, and charged you with contempt of court. You had to resign or pay the price. If you had the cahonas you would have called his bluff. So I guess you dont have all the right plumbing, sweetheart!
BW
7:44 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
BTW if that was your attmpt to bully me or threaten me, it didnt work when Steve did it, and it certainly isnt going to work when you do it.
Betty Ann Fuller
6:14 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012
In all the years that I lived near Trader's Cove, I have no idea where the trees and vegetation was. There were only dead boats with squatters living in some of them. The boats are gone, and for now, it is very barren except for the southern perimeter along Mantoloking Road. Probably, so most people think it looks good. I'm also with Lisa above. Who the heck had the idea to put a cabana on the old bridge?? Do they really think fishermen will be sitting under it while their lines are in the water, or will they be picking off their lures from the roof. Guess the designer is not a fisherman.