Thurndercrack, exactly what are you insinuating by money can buy anything? Please explain.

What democracy are you referring to Thundercrack? The majority of the citizens of PPB were totally against this! Is that the same democracy that voted NO to a parking plan and wound up with a ridiculous one anyway?

you are absolutely right....all the homeowners probably will have to endure another summer of this nonsense. By the time the appeal is heard, the summer will be over. What a shame.....I don't want to read the township complaining about paying for more police officers.....

Fine? If you say so? You are right about one thing. Business as usual?

Scott, You were right that it'll NEVER happen. I knew too!!! I guess you are also aware of unscrupulous town you live in. You know it smells bad, when the ABC ruling is going against a town that wants to set its own hours that they are legally entitled to. Every town that surrounds Point Pleasant Beach gets to set their own hours (they are all different) should be indication that the venality of the ABC director, the BW and their followers.

GG, This might be an important part of the decision to keep in mind:
"Consequently, although the Governing Body has the authority to restrict hours of operation, the substantial factual history here raises at least the need for an inquiry into the allegations of bad faith or illegitimate purpose,"

yes you should be able to do that

Why sue the lawyer for malpractice? He was doing what your mayor and council requested...perhaps you should consider taking the legal action against them, after all, they were the ones seeking to extort money from the boardwalk businesses and yet, even when the money was offered, they got gready and wanted more. Look no further than your mayor for a place to lay the blame for all the money wasted.

...any more e-mail chain updates from Cathy Kelly?

It seems to just be greed and control by Barrella. Now he has nothing coming in for extra police. Seems like bad business to me. They offered to pay and it seemed reasonable and that wasn't good enough. Good for the Storino's and Martell's they have been here long before this Mayor and I can assure long after.

Grew up in Point Pleasant, Really? Not only Point Beach, all the other towns close by knows that Jenkinson's and Martell's is definitely in control of the town, county, ABC director, the State of NJ and even the police. The list keeps getting longer. They own all of them.

GG---another conspiracy theorist with no facts. I know where you can get an aluminum hat, cheap!

Been here before, How is that? Don't they all play politics. Politics is played in every single decision and move a town makes. Please.....Even some residents are playing politics. How do you think all these politicians get in? From the residents that are playing politics in some way.

The BW offered $160k / year. They obligated to the fact if they did not give any year for the next five years, they would forfeit their liquor licenses. They based the mechanism to give the money on the Sea Girt example, which exists and is a legal way for bars to pay for cops. They did everything that the Mayor asked them to do. Your Mayor and his council people said that it only amounted to $3 per household a month and voted not to take it. The deal would have been done, but the Mayor's ego has cost us all now!

Redundant!

and alone......sad really---clinging blindly to Barrella myths

Better Living - Who you now?

Feel free to leave Better Living!

Isn't that how the malcontents got the bar closing and parking scam passed to begin with?

Summer over already?? Make yourself a nice big keg of kool aid

It is going to be needed being the BW will not pay for the extra police.

how is this going to devastate the economy?

The entire town has improper motives. Reid is guilty of wanting to still vote on taking the 800,000 from the BW that he considered "extortion" Did not matter, he still wanted to go thru with it. "The shrimp is really not free"

GG---why is it you and every other Barrella supporter can't tell the difference between a donation, and extortion---when you give it because you want to it is a gift----if you give it because someone has threatened you it is extortion. Reid was against extortion and in favor of donations. Simple straightforward truth. I think we know why you and all the other Barrellaistas cannot see this

I think it's your feet.

Blindbert - the only mendacious odor is that of Corbally, Barrella, Tooker and Gordon. You're right, it does smell like death! Their political death! I can smell it! It is permeating throughout Point Pleasant Beach. It smells wonderful! They are not so powerful, but they are still obnoxious, and so are you and Mr. Happy!!!!! Have an enjoyable evening, I know I will!

Bert, Oder (also spelled Odra) is a river in Central Europe. I believe you meant odor, unless you are extending this issue to Czechoslovakia and Poland. In the meantime, justice is served ..as are drinks until 2AM.

Blindbert, "You won't live with mendacity? Well, you're an expert at it!"

2007 really. Are you kidding. I mean the tourism study was from 2007

PPNB, That is when the Law was written... jack A$$
Go look on the ABC website...............

You discredited the tourism study because it was from 2007... And probably have yet to read it.. I understand you're upset, But you did say that You did not care how late the bars were open.... Take it like a man and don't be calling people names.

bars stay open

PPNB, Residents First - that was a STUDY this is a LAW.

Part timer. It's not a law in point pleasant beach. Are you 1 of those people who are all smug when the law is on their side .
I think rental units should pay their fair share for the impact they cause.

You have one thing right. It is all BS!

Amen!

My thoughts exactly all along following this story. This is the talk of Southern Monmouth County precisely - the mayor & the other complaining parties that moved into PB & are complaining could not afford SL or Sea Girt, etc... They moved below the bridge. You want quiet - buy in SL or Sea Girt. And I am a Benny who moved to Belmar (but not next to DJais). Stupid is as stupid does.

Belmar? They cleaned up their act and now Pt. Beach is being stopped to clean up theres from the ABC. There was an issue at Bar A recently, it was in the paper. About noisy bar patrons leaving, going out scream and cursing in the neighborhood while fetching their car in the back lot that they should have not been using in the first place. The difference is their town council, I think it was Wall? Cracked down immediately by making them closing the lot and fining them daily. They listened to their residents who were getting disturbed.

Reminds me of the people who bought the new homes that were built by the railroad loop in Bayhead, the loop has been there for almost a hundred years. They bought the homes (that were pretty pricey) knowing damn well the loop was right in their backyard, you could plainly see it from their property. Then they started complaining about the noise, REALLY? They filed all kinds of law suits and lost. Now you have people buying homes in a resort town where you know there is going to be an expectation of noise and activity you won't find in a normal town and their complaining! They are just as stupid as the people that bought the homes by the loop.

JWB, I totally agree about increased fines on bad behavior. Make them expensive with no negotiating power in court. The other trick is, getting our police to give tickets out by mandating the ordinances and laws that are in place with no exceptions. Stop all the warnings and whining by just giving the tickets out and do not play favorites.

All so true Pat!

Pat I agree, we were all kids once. But as nuts as it may seem, I blame the increase of bad behavior at the BW squarely on the MTV show "Jersey Shore" The behaviors have increased in the last five years that the show has been on the air. The kids are shown fighting and other behaviors that are not acceptable but think they are as the show does not show the repercussions of their actions. There's Snooki on the beach, in the middle of the day drunk off her ass and she gets a slap on the wrist. Kids notice this stuff. Party time in Seaside! Seaside meanwhile turns a blind eye because of all the money their making from the show now these kids think that any boardwalk is the same as Seaside and they came up to Point and act the same way. WRONG! If you think my theory is off the wall, may I bring up more examples. Fort Lauderdale, Daytona Beach Florida and Palm Springs California were all subjects of spring break movies. Those movies brought headaches that were so bad to all those towns, that they decided to dissuade spring breakers from making their town a destination to head to. Instead of the circus side show and pissing contest that Barella and Storino have decided to get into, those towns simply increased the fines for such things as urinating in public, public intoxication and the like, the fines were expensive and there were no negotiations in court either. You peed in public, paid the clerk $1,500! That's all Point has to do and the behaviors will end!

Couldn't agree more Pat! I grew up next to the BW, enjoyed it with family and friends and even worked there for a short time as a teen. This is not a BW issue it is a social issue and it is sad when I think about what our children are exposed to these days. As an Italian American and Jersey Sore native, I am repulsed by the show "Jersey Shore" and how it depicts us as a whole. I have never seen it but know enough of what goes on from commercials and the News. It has done a lot of damage to our beautiful shore communities. We all know where we live! I was born here and understood what it was all about as a small child! I also understood where I was living when I decided to buy here! There will always be idiot parents raising idiot kids and in no way should their bad parenting be blamed on the BW! I was against this early closing from the start and not because of anything having to do with the BW! They will survive no matter what! I care about my neighbor who owns a bed and breakfast, my former classmates who have small businesses in town and my child who has a nice little summer job and rides his bike home after closing. Get the cops out there and jack up the fines!! Send a message that PPB cops don't mess around and you will quickly see that things will change once you start punishing the real trouble makers not the local business owners!

Could not have been a truer post on this blog. I have been in PPB my whole life also and remember that jukebox playing "sunshine of your love" by Cream. And your right, sitting on the railing was a "high" crime in those days. Lets bring back the Hoffman House and the dancing girls in the cages........LOL. Barrella and cohorts got what they desereved.....SLAPPED IN THE FACE!!!!!!!

Blindbert, there is no money. Your Mayor and council voted against accepting it.

Blindbert - What money? Do you mean the $800k that the Mayor and his three Stooges decided not to accept. The money that the BW was willing to pay to offset the cost for police presence on the BW. The money that they tried to extort from the BW. Is that the money you are talking about and the money that we should follow? Remember one thing, this has NEVER been about "Quality of Life" issues for the residents of PPB. If you think it was, you are even dumber than you appear to be.

The problems also stem from patrons being over served....

exactly what I am talking about...

Part timer.. I thought you were taking themselves summer off. Things not going your way. Have a drink, watch a movie, I suggest the barefoot contessa.

Part timer, I am not saying that people are never over served but I don't think that is the main problem! This generation of teens and young adults are into whatever they can get their hands on! Recreational and especially prescription drugs are abused on a regular basis! Pharmacies have made so many restrictions that kids are now taking bath salts, smoking salvia and huffing whatever they can get high off of! I was walking the boards last week and saw a girl trying to get into the Tiki bar. She was so out of her mind on whatever she was on they would not let her or her friends in and then told the friends to take her home! God only knows what half of these kids show up on!! Then to have a drink on top of it?? It is all a disaster waiting to happen! There is something wrong with our society where its children need to numb themselves so badly they cannot even function!

PPNB, what happened to residents first????

Part timer. It's not a law in point pleasant beach. Are you 1 of those people who are all smug when the law is on their side .
I think rental units should pay their fair share for the impact they cause.

I hope we didn't hurt Mr. Happy's feelings!!!!

Maybe poor Mr. Happy is drinking away his sorrows:)

Opinionated - I hope there will be an investigation not only with our leaders, but also with CK who forwarded confidential e-mails. Let the fun begin!

Agreed! I am looking forward to them trying to spin the facts, misrepresent and try to pull the wool over the eyes of a State legal panel! Let the games begin!

Should be. Let's start with investigation with councilmen's Mayer and Gordon who were on the negotiating team that everyone agreed at that point pleasant beach has been having increasingly problems that are alcohol related and the need for extra police. Let's even investigate the former councilmen who also tried to get extra money needed for the police prior, the last time around. The police even admitted their was increasingly problems, the worse in 17 years on record. I was under the impression and reason for the snap, crackle and pop program. Lets go back and get all the minutes from what was said by all of them. Even the boardwalk and their lawyers admitted and acknowledged the problems and the reason they all came together to begin with. ( LIKE YOU SAID ABOVE IN YOUR STATEMENT) Will their be an investigation of them too. Or maybe the police are lying and suspicious too and they should be investigate while we are out investigating the town in general. Like Mattmurphy says, Let the fun begin!

mailman, Really? Who is pulling the wool over who's eyes? You do know that NJ is the Soprano State. If not get the book, maybe you will learn something.

mattmurphy,just saw this comment,haha...let the investigations begin,,,thanks for the laugh........

GG- it's evident that you haven't read the Director's stay order, otherwise you would have seen that the town has remedies. . .but listen. . .you go take the time and read it. . .then we can debate. As for your spin on Reid & Mayer...don't forget to include Lurie. . .he was against the early bar closing last August. The reason they voted to accept the money was because the town and it's attorney framed the ordinance in such a way that they had no choice. Normally ordinances are discussed and drawn up for all to approve. When you have controversial ordinances here where they split into 2012-15 & 2012-16, your faced with voting yes or no as the ordinance is written. It was more important for Mayer & Reid to keep the bars open, that's why they voted the way you describe. . .

Spooner, I know how they voted and who they support. But Reid voted and then admitted it was an extortion and then still wanted to vote to take what he was calling "extortion money" which floored Councilmen Gordon... I know I read it some were. I would call it flip-flopped back and fourth.

GG, if you want to rely on statements Gordon has made, then don't forget that when Reid mentioned this was extortion, Gordon told him that the surcharge ordinance was the mechanism designed to help the bars stay open. Reid also asked the Boro Attorney whether that surcharge ordinance was legal, and the Boro Attorney said that it was enforceable. If you're on a boat, and someone puts weights on your legs so that you can't move, and tells you "I'm going to throw this guy, who can't swim, overboard. When I do it, you can throw this life preserver with a hole in it out to him." You say "No, that's wrong. Don't throw that guy overboard. He can't swim, and this life preserver has a hole in it!" But, the guy gets thrown overboard anyway. Don't you still throw out the life preserver to at least try to give him a chance, or do you just sit there, do nothing, and watch the guy drown? This whole thing was designed by Barrella and crew. They put it out as one ordinance, and when they were told, by the BW attorneys that it wasn't legal, they split it up. Then, the Barrella crew first adopted the midnight closings, leaving those who felt that the midnight closings were the wrong decision only one option: to vote for the surcharge ordinance. Now, explain to me why the Barrella crew didn't vote for the surcharge ordinance, since they're the ones who designed it and kept introducing it.

Because they were hoisted by their own petard

Cathy, do you honestly believe that new stations throughout the country are interested in a story about a closing ordinance being oveturned? NJ News 12 barely gives it more than a minute or two. I don't see Brian Williams using this as his lead story any time in the future.

Barrella myths Cathy Kelly continues to Believe:

1. Every other town has these kinds of restrictions----no, they don't. This is just what Barrella has been telling you. And those towns followed Part TImer's ABC regs on actullt proving with facts who drank what where. That kind of facr finding has never been done inPPB. Instead BArrella made decisions on deliberate exaggerations.

2. The residents are being screwed because of the BW. Nonsense---the people to blame for no money and no early closings are Barrella and crew for trying to grap power they don't have

IT IS NOT!! If the boardwalk decided themselves to pack up and leave. In all the falsehood that our taxes would go up, they would actually go down. You see, the BW needs the police and the police needs the BW.

Ms Kelly: Pat Storino said on another thread that he picks up the BW's garbage. . .so who's lying. . .you or him...

..."I've avoided him," Storino said. "They say we don't do our fair share. We pick up the garbage on the boardwalk and we man the municipal toilets that Barrella closed his first week in office."...
http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/midnight-closing-will-force-50-layoffs-at-jenkinson-s-says-storino

...and the ABC Director is right on the law. . .your Mayor knows that. . .now I know he will never admit it publicly. . .but if it wasn't for Tooker and Corbally, he would have taken the money. The town is bleeding red ink. . .your in hock with emergency approbations...money that can't be recouped outside the levy cap(police costs)

PS: CK-please do not respond to this post...and oh our Mr Happy(the gate keeper here) only allows 2 question marks??

full timer,this is about principle for me.....how can you sit there and say its ok(whether or not)you agree with the decision....it is clear on the ABC website what the law is and the fact that they are going against their own laws set for the whole state of NJ is dispicable,,,,again I have not agreed with the ordinances from day one,but anyone with any kind of morals has to question what happened here,,,it is dispicable and trust me someone will pick it up.....How do we teach our children right from wrong and sit back and accept what is so blatantly wrong.....like I said this is about principle.....

Because Cathy, we can still go out for a drink occaisionally, because the local comedy club, whoose acts start around 10:30 will still be open, because we can still go to Frankie's for a late night buger, or go to the Tiki Bar and dance to Don't Call Me Francis on Sunday nights, because we can still go to our favorite BYOB on New Year's Eve and actually ring in the New Year!

Also because extortion is illegal, and should be illegal, that is why the ABC gave the town a stay. If it was a simple all bars close at 12:00am period, then the ABC probably would have stayed out of it, but we all know that was Not the case here, ABC is simply following the law and the law clearly states that extortion is ILLEGAL!!!

Then lobby Trenton----Barrella never had the power to change this and he does not have that power now----only the folks in Trenton can do it----and they are not going to do it because it is not fair to the rest of the municipalities with much higher tax rates than PPB-----you really are just selfish dumb and Barrellized, aren't you?

the residents get their garbage picked up 7 days a week...........boardwalk does their own and picks up the garbage on the towns section of the boardwalk and pays the $20K to keep the bathrooms open and clean that are under the police station.....which the mayor closed during his first year in office, leaving NO public restrooms for our visitors...

GG, so you have ideas. Not good ones, but you do have ideas. Lets first of all preclude any past or present Republican from overseeing any decision making process (WHAT?). If you are a Republican, you go to Republican Club functions, if you are a Democrat you do the same for that party. Independents, same thing. What was your point? Are you saying everyone, except the FAB 4, are suspect or crooked? Do you want everyone investigated? You seem to have problems with alot of people. The only writing on the wall is that there is a process - for all things. When you put yourself in a position to be scrutinized, you must accept responsibility for your actions. That goes for everyone involved. So accept the ruling; take it like a man, or woman. I, for one, am ready to get this behind us and get the town out from under this dark and damaging cloud!

Mike is at home crying:(

The credibility of the entire town is shot.

ha ha now thats funny

nick,obviously you haven't realized that the intimidation way does not work on me,,,go for it,I am actually urging you to follow through with,I can guarantee you have more to lose than me so once again,stop threatening and do it........

NJSA 33:1-40 is a nj statute that does allow municipalities to limit the hours of operations of licensed establishments........however upon appeal NJSA 33:1-41 provides the director may..."set aside, vacate and repeal the limitation..." look it up people

thats absolutely what i said

But it is a lie---principal supports the rule of law----and the rule of law says Barrella tried to impose taxes after the legislature told him no------really that simple. No reason to imagine conspiracies. Just a good lawyer making a sensible ruling. If everyone who lost a lawsuit claimed the fix was in the rule of law would soon disintegrate. So no, Ms. Kelly, this is not about principle for you---it is, was, and always has been only about Barrella for you---otherwise you'd be complaining about him just like we all are

Ms Kelly- for the nth time. . .you want to take something out of context. . .then post the link...so others can if they want read the whole story not just your version. . .like when I posted what Pat Storino said above??( and Happy I'm observing your rules)

Now if you read the thread I posted regarding Pat Storino. . .Ms Halvorsen did respond to queries about their advertising. . .Maybe she even read my post. . .and Ms Kelly: as Pat Storino and his family(whose been living here a lot longer than you) said. . .they don't want those undesirables. . .even more than you!

...and coming out of Pat's mouth. . .hired detectives to be out there after closing. . .that implies there now going to be documenting what PD reports? Won't be surprised if there also carrying cameras. . .Thank You Vinny. . .Hey I forgot: Vinny I know you called Paul Mulshine. . .looking to read more of his Beach trash this Sunday in the Ledger?

sour grapes

spooner,there is a reason that i don't respond to you,because you truly are insane,,,I posted the link that you stated your comments on,as if that would make a difference on what you posted.....you have been so hypocritical and you try to backtrack and justify what you write but you have been caught yet you seem to think that noone notices,,,,if you don't address me,I will gladly not correct you...go away and worry about your own town....

Ms Kelly: this is what you posted...correct me if I'm wrong. . . but let me know by some grid square pixel location where I can put my pointer on to click on the link...

Cathy Kelly

12:34 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012

spooner,i find it hysterical that you say what you do...remember this,,your words......
Spooner
10:57 am on Friday, August 26, 2011
I don't listen to much to radio or weather channel, so I haven't caught any of their ads. . .but this is outrageous and just plain gluttonous on the part of Jenkinsons and Martells. . .
Just wondering what they pay their PR person. . .whats her name Halvorsen. . .time to change their PR . . .telling people to come down Friday-Saturday when the Governor might order mandatory evaluation. . .that means Mr. Storino and Mr.Bassinger. . .NO people on the Boardwalk!

Or the comments where
...

Not a chance the BW will bail out your boy Barrella, BUT, as soon as he is gone watch the money flow. In the meantime the BW money will go to NON-Barrella resident groups like the First Aid, the Public Education Foundation, the Firs Dept, the Little League etc and anything and everyone except Barrella, Tooker Corbally and Gordon---as it should be

CK, Please give the people a little more credit. The BW does NOT have more power than our elected officials. You seem to be overlooking the unethical behavior demonstrated by some of the elected officials (specifically FOUR of them). I know, during his campaign walks, that Vinnie looked me in the eyes and said closing bars earlier would never happen under his watch because it would create a dangerous situation for the town. His campaign words, not mine. Good thing I watched his body language and didn't fall for his silver tongued political speech I guess his script was designed to fit the district he was working that day. When someone lies to me - it's over.

Really? In a one mile town we have a total of 22 Bars&Restaurants (that have bars in them. Wow, No wonder there is so many problems in this small town. Now I know why so many residents have drinking problems including our kids. I am wondering who allowed this many bars in this little town. These establishments have been allowed to expand too. We can all agree this did not happen under Barrella's watch. The ABC director failed the residents that have to put up all the bad drunken behavior. When is it going to be enough? When one our own children gets severely hurt. The ABC director Mr. Halfacre obviously did not take the residents in mind when he made his decision. He also stated he was convinced that the ordinance has the potential negative ripple effect on the endeavors and enterprises outside of Point Pleasant Beach. Why should the residents be responsible for other towns endeavors and enterprises that are allowed to set their own bar hours? So our town could say that SSH endeavors and enterprises effect us as a town.

GG---How many bars where here when you moved in? DON'T MOVE HERE AND THEN TRY AND CHANGE PPB TO WHAT YOU WANT---if you did not and don't want to live in a town with 22 bars you move, not the bars here long before you

I believe it was Max Gannon in his testimony when Martells in 1992 looked to change it's location...that there were 27 retail liquor licenses?

The problem is we don't have the town. The BW does. Have a great summer.

No, Mike, the problem is that you THINK you should have the town! It's not yours to have. You represent us, the people of the town. You and your crew can be replaced and we will carry on…you will simply fade away.

martells pays 20 grand in town taxes

PennysStocks- according to county tax record of 308 Broadwalk(Martells). . .the property tax is more like almost $94,000...

PROPERTY INFORMATION
308 Boardwalk (308boardwalk)
Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

Dimensions : 176 X 320
Coordinants : 0.00 / 0.00
Land Ass. : 8,750,000.00
Build Ass. : 250,000.00
Total Ass. : 9,000,000.00
Class : 4a
Map : 5
Tax : 93,960.00

@Don…right. These "newbees" have no idea what it was like back in the day. And we did just great, didn't we? Makes my hair stand up when these haters refer to PPB as 'our town'.

Agreed....it was 7 for a $1 at one point!!!!!

and if your mayor pulls crap like that start the recall

Really? I do not think so.

Rick, I understand what you're trying to suggest, but I want you to think long and hard about your suggesting. What you want is for private cops (off duty cops), paid for by the BW, to patrol the actual boardwalk. That would make those cops BW employees. I am not comfortable with the idea that we are going to turn what is a public thoroughfare over to BW employees to patrol. There are a lot of people posting here, yourself perhaps included, who think that the BW is responsibile for the current state of affairs because they acted irresponsibly. If that's what you think, then why would you want to make them responsible for patroling the actual BW? I don't think the BW has acted irresponsibly, but even I don't think this is a good idea. I would much rather see the BW pay money to our town to fund PPB cops to patrol the BW, which is really what the BW offered when it offered the money. There should be a relationship with the BW owners and the PPB police so that the two can work together to try to address problems, and I think that, for years, that was the history of our town, before Barrella and the rest of the GB members (and I mean for the past years, not just the current ones) decided to star making decisions that affected the ability of our police department. That's not the BW's fault. I understand that these decisions were made to save tax dollars, but we're paying the price for those decisions. They should've taken the money the BW offered.

nick why dont you just go count those bw dollars you got and stop trying to blame barrella and tooker for the mess your boys Hennessy and dyer made of the police department

Now that sounds like the best idea thus far. How quick do you think it can be done. God knows the schools have lost their credibility too. They are already taking tuition students. They already have lowered and comprised their standards. Rumor has it they inflate or change grades for only some students. It is all about "Green" Dr. Ravally 's theory of filling up the classrooms, as an empty seat on plane. Or is it to keep his schools running to promote himself and his growing staff to keep Point Pleasant Beach up and going. "We need more students" Point Pleasant might not want to merge with Point Pleasant Beach being they out scored us two years in a row. This will never happen, Its nice to dream. Don't worry the town of Bay Head will not let it happen.

youre right it was little

I was asked to forward an email,which i did...You talk about being hypocritical yet back in March when a confidential email from our Boro Attorney was sent out, in the middle of negotiations you absolutely had no problem with that and nothing to say....Maybe you should look in the mirror...

Nick,
Letting the residents read for themselves what they offered as opposed to your spin isn't illegal or corrupt. Everyone on this blog takes themselves far too seriously including myself sometimes. Lets just hope it is a good summer for all.

Ms. Kelly, you forwarded the email because you were aked to? if someone asked you to jump off a bridge, would you do it just because you were asked to do it? I believe in the book "Responsibility 101", that is the first lesson we learn from our parents - make decisions only after fully considering the risk and outcome.

Mike C. REALLY? do you really think that we as citizens should be able to distribute confidential information that is clearly not intended for a public audience due to pending litigation? WOW….didn't think your rating could drop any lower, but congratulations….you managed to do it!

Ms. Kelly, I'm more than happy to explain to you why I think this is different. We all found out that the BW attorney had read something that the Boro Atty had prepared because the BW attorney wrote that in his response (that he had reviewed something prepared by the Boro Atty) and the BW atty's letter was posted here on the Patch. Obviously, the BW's atty did not think that there had been any breach in confidentiality, and there probably wasn't. Why? Because the matter wasn't already in court. What it looked like to me is that someone (and for all I know, it was Gertner, which would still be okay) showed the BW's atty the law that the Barrella crew thought was on their side. The BW's atty sent something to the GB that said "Um, you may have some problems. This is the law that I think is against you." And, the BW's atty must've been somewhat convincing because, after that, the Barrella crew split up that bar closing/surcharge ordinance into 2 ordinances, rather than keep it as one. But, everyone was still in negotiations, something which I believe you have posted that you supported and encouraged. The e-mail you forwarded is entirely different because it was clearly confidential information and it was sent out after everyone was already in court. So, the one in March might've been helpful in bringing both sides together. Yours was not. Now, explain to me why you went postal over that "sharing" in March, but thought it was okay to share this one now?

Councilman Corbally, if it were true that "letting the residents read for themselve what was offered" by forwarding that confidential e-mail from the BW's atty to the public via the Kelly e-mail chain was proper, then the identity of the person who forwarded it to Ms. Kelly would not have been omitted. And, in case you haven't noticed, Kelly's chain is not considered to be a true public forum. A Council meeting is a true public forum, a place where the entire public is welcomed to attend, and that is the appropriate place to publicly reveal such issues, assuming that's legal, and the Minutes compiled by Ms. Ellsworth are the only official written record of those meetings. I find it interesting that you are posting here, defending what was sent out to the Kelly chain. BTW, did Gertner ever get that document over to the BW's lawyers? I see in the e-mail chain that they expected to receive it before the hearing, but still hadn't gotten it as of the date of that e-mail.

Moon,
Yes! Really! The negotiations were long over when that was released, and I believe that fact that the BW wouldn't accept any conditions is significant. I hope for the best because unlike all other towns it appears PPB is the only town that is unable to put conditions on liquor licenses as needed. Stop by one day after hours and lets discuss the big picture. Mike

I sent it to the Patch, The Ocean Star, and Ms. Kelly. Trying to put facts out there instead of fiction. Sue me! Oh wait! Their is a line.

MoonDogie, You are right? I wonder which council member gave her this confidential information? You must have an inside on who it was? I think if you knew you would have left us all in on it unless it was a council member that you support.

Mr. Corbally, this is far from over and you and your counterparts will have to explain the course of your actions over the past year to a group of people that you will be unable to mislead. Your decisions represent the the thoughts of a very small portion of the residents of this town. I think that you, Barrella, Gordon and Tooker should spend some time studying American history and relearning exactly what democracy is before you return to the next council meeting and attempt to "represent us" any further. Your current vantage point is currently from the bottom of a deep hole looking up and it is doing us all harm.

So Mike, in regard to "The negotiations were long over when that was released" …apparently you are splitting hairs. Negotiations vs. Litigation. So you think this is over? This may all come into play when the courts decide what was rightly shared or wrongly leaked. In the meantime, you might want to take the position of not being "above the law" simply because you sit at the head table.

Mike Corbally You should be ashamed of your actions first you hide a document that was sent by the county . Now you are leaking out confidential documents to Kathy Kelly. We all know about the rumored skeletons in your closet. I am sorry to say but i fear that all the rumors about you are true.

the idiots dont know the difference between a confidential document and sand paper

Really? How exactly is the BW feeding me as a tax payer? How is it, as a tax payer I am extorting money from the BW? And you are calling me clueless, maybe you better stop drinking all together. I pay for myself. I hate to break it to you, it is more than a handful of people. It has nothing to do with the tax appeal. The only one who is getting screwed here is the tax payers.

They denied the will of the whiners, not will of the majority of residents. Mr. Corbally, since you're here, can you tell us how many cops are working at 2 AM?

Mike Corbally,
This is something that should have been done a long time ago.
If you are looking for answers on where the problems stem from then I suggest you have the Chief enforce the laws written by the Attorney General for the ABC.

This is direct from the laws set by the ABC...
http://www.nj.gov/oag/abc/downloads/ag-law-enforce-directive-2007-2.pdf

You are not stopping anyone. It is called being bullies. They have way to much power and money. They can buy anything and obviously anyone. You do not have to look to far. Look at our own current and past councilmen and some bought residents that look up to their masters who brainwash them. They will continue and repeatedly vow to litigate any restrictions put on their licenses that the Director said we should consider or anything else for that matter. Why should they come up with any solutions? When they do not have to? I have to give them and their lawyers credit. They are very smart with their tactics, stalling, control and their claim of good faith of monetary bribes to turn a blind eye. Hook, Line and Sinker they sucked you in to their trap.

Mr Corbally...getting to be ad nauseum: you don't have the political support as you claim in the "will of the people" Your Council vote was 3-3. . .the Mayor who was elected by a minority vote of 21%(812-3800+) of registered voters broke the tie. The Mayor like you and Tooker are partisan activists who have personal emotions invested(see Barrella's statement in town's response to Stone-Mandia BW bar closing appeal) which negates rendering an objective decision as a tie breaker. . .Saying the Director denied the will of the people is misleading and rhetorical...and like I said: where's your political support[give us the numbers]?

There should have been a bipartisan/independent (not from D4) sponsored referendum put on the ballot last year. . .

...and D4 is not recognized under the Constitution and the statutes of NJ as a sovereign entity. . . but you appear to be attempting to make some facsimile of it into one...covered under the municipal umbrella of PPB. . .Do I have that wrong? Please don't say YES again!

Really Mike? The will of the people? The same people that voted NO to your proposed parking plan?

Again, the bar owners threw money at the problem because you told them they had to. If you are still in line the Mayor, the money no longer matters. The costs of the specials in his opinion is small change and very affordable. Three dollars per month per household. You were all perfectly comfortable letting it go, so let it go.

The people that were elected made a decision on what they believed to be in the best interest of the safety and welfare of the residents. If you don't agree that's fine. We are free targets when the election rolls around. I would fear the fact that it doesn't matter who you elect that the BW is ultimately calling the shots. That's not democracy, more like dictatorship. The process is broken. I'm off to the Beach. Ocean Grove! Enjoy.

Don't know why you wouldn't head up to the inlet beach. It's probably the nicest spot on the Jersey Shore, unless you feel more comfortable leaving our beautiful town nowadays.

Mike Corbally Why didnt you send the directors request and restrictions that he supposedly asked for out with the confidential document that you leaked to Kathy Kelly. Also why go to Ocean Grove you can enjoy the beautiful Maryland Ave beach. You should support our town isnt it true we own that beach but lease it to someone.

hey spooner can you even balance a checkbook

Don't get a DUI on the way up or back. Better off, leave a response and and I will send a car for you at my cost....ONE WAY!!!

Growing up as a local kid that was basically how we picked the houses to mess with. Unless we knew you were local then you were safe.

Hey Part Timer I didn't know the summer was over yet???

Addicted to the Patch....

Part timer. Completely sympathize with the addiction. Welcome back.
Now, if you would go back to your usual well founded comments, I would stop trying to bug you. There is still a lot of summer left. And as you said time will tell..

This town is comical. This sums it up! Willy Wonka...Greed, power, control.

GG
You are correct, someone in this town is obsessed with greed, power, and control, but it isn't Willy Wonka or the BW owners!

Jayne038, HaHaHa, you are comical. It is never the boardwalk's fault and their owners. You must be family. You are right, they are so good and do nothing wrong. They run an honest business. They are not greedy and do not use their power or control in anything they want or get.

GG
I am glad we are in agreement, the BW does seem to run an honest business, as far as I can tell. They take care of their own garbage, maintain the boardwalk restrooms, and give consistantly to the first aid, little league, fire dept., etc. Perhaps Barella is jealous that he is not a successful businessman able to make these types of donations? You can't blame the BW that the majority of residents are upset that the FAB FOUR turned down the 800k to help pay for the specials, which is what all of this was about in the first place.

Get Real: You can't lose anything, when the intentions of what was offered is fake? The word Majority is being used way to much, in the opinions of the comments being left in ones favor. It is for their own point of view or take on what happened. We have an awful lot of Majorities on both sides. This is what the residents I hear spreading. The $800,000 offer was spread out over 5 years along with boardwalk stipulations and conditions. Money couldn't be excepted any longer, once the boardwalk owners labeled the town extortionist.

Why? Are you just another beach resident that thinks your town is so much better than Point Boro? Get off your "High Horse" that you are sitting on. Soon enough Point Boro will be fetching more for their houses than in the Beach. They will not even want to merge with you anyway.

GG, I live in the Boro and want absolutely NOTHING to do with PPB. Perhaps I did not express that well enough in my previous post. Please reread my 4th sentence in my last post above. I say "you" when referring to that town, PPB.

You are mistaken sir.

Correct.

i certainly didn't say what you are alluding to in your first sentence. You truly are ignorant if you don't think the boardwalk and bars don't cover a significant portion of your boro's rateables...i also didn't say your "taxes are low", they are being kept lower then they would be without the bw.....i'll bet you are Snookie in drag just trying to stir up some s

lisa, Who is ignorant? Again, That is what they want everyone to think that the taxes are kept low because of the ratable's from the boardwalk businesses. Usually the people that talk s about taxes are not even paying taxes. What an intelligent comment? Snookie in drag? I thought things could not get any worse.. You just proved that wrong.

Spring Lake or Bay Head is all set up for you. Make the move. This is Point Pleasant Beach. We have a history and although we have a few issues to deal with, including replacing a Mayor and 3 council people, we love our town. If you do not like it, move. Period

mailman, Seaside Heights is all set up for YOU. Make the move. I forgot you do not have to. Point Pleasant Beach will soon be Seaside Heights. Matter of fact let's start selling parking spaces on the County roads too just like Seaside is allowed so we can make more money just like them being we are going to become them.

GG, PPB is not even close to Seaside, nor will it ever be. Your town has basically one bar it can't control.

Because that John Q would actually make sense!

ah a voice of reason, unfortunately the PB administration lacks the ability to reason...instead they want to resort to blackmail. No one is allowed to be accountable for their own actions anymore. As far as the tandem rent a cops in Point, about all they seem to be good for is expired meters..let them do some real police work.

Agree that all we need is right police presence at right times at right locations with right penalties.

vin c, Sounds good in a perfect world.

mailman, The only one who is playing a race card is yourself, Who said anything about backgrounds and ethnicity? Is you yourself.

mailman, Less families are coming This was always a family resort town as long as I can remember. The two boardwalk businesses are the ones' who advertise to the bar crowd. The bar crowd just wants to drink from early morning until wee hours in the morning. They have no respect for our town in any way. They get all pumped up with liquor then creates problems in a residential neighborhood. They scream, curse and pee for starters should be a good indication. They treat our town like a large garbage dump. Look at the police blotter every now then. It has nothing to do with anything other than families are coming less. I do not blame them. We have a short memory in the beach.., our own not that long ago had no problem merging in with PPB our leaders were being lead by the nose by former councilwomen Sue Rogers. I am tired of hearing about how good of a town we are, no one is willing to admit what is going on in our town or schools. Every district in town dislikes each other. No one really wants to pay for the police, teachers, town workers. They say that they do, then they don't. The businesses do not want to help with police that is needed mainly in their location. Every one wants to fight amongst each other. Excuse me for saying Uncle... I give up. Let us all merge together because that is what so many seem like that is what they want to do. You know the silent majority that everyone always talks about.

GG, I almost don't even want to respond to that rant you just provided, but I will one last time. How many fewer families are coming to town? I have never seen the weekend days so busy, and they are not bar people. Where are your stats? How do the BW bars advertise inappropriately to their customers? Jenks has invited anyone to meet with their marketing person and see how they promote, perhaps you should do so. Again, where are your facts? Seems to me there are dozens of cops in the streets handling any disturbance issues from the bars, and you have posted that we should fire them all. As far as paying for them, that was your Mayor and his council deciding that the we, the taxpayers, could eat the $3/month for the specials, not the BW. They were fully committed and ready to do so. As far as your other points, I don't even know where to begin, other than repeating myself: move. Most do not dislike their neighbors, or have a problem paying for education or services and we love our little town the way it is. Again, take a day off and relax. You seem to be rambling a bunch of garbage without any support. We know you are upset the bars will be open in January until 2 am. That's just the way it always has been, and the way it will remain.

Another winning quote from an Independent supporter:
GG wrote:
9:42 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012
"Here is a solution, not that it is good. Can't afford all the police, Just fire and let them all go. Then Point Pleasant Beach can continue being the town of Problems and Alcoholics who find their town acceptable in becoming a Seaside."

I don't think we will be paying you much attention here on out.

Wrong...
Commercial property is based upon market rate to rent...
lower revenue to the boardwalk bars... means lower value for property... means lower taxes!!
Duh!

Maybe because they disagree....
a bit far fetched... i'm sure jenks is monitoring as he put detectives to count number of cops after midnight versus during the day, etc...
and I don't see Frankies and the other bar owners joining in the suit...

You are all snobs. Each town thinks they are better than the next. Like your town does not have baggage. This crap is happening in all the towns thanks to our political governors and friends. As the state cuts, squeezes the towns until they can't take care of themselves then you all will be crying and want support. Watch what you all support and wish for.

NC, I agree that there is a need to bring this little town back together. Sorry, But what has been going on here? I am not to convinced that it is ever going to happen. It might just be a little to late. You have to many bitter residents who want to get back at each other just because they are friends with someone they do not like or don't support. It is ridiculous and immature. Residents should be able to agree to disagree and support or be friends with who they like and think is the most qualified in their own judgement and opinion. It is a right and privilege to vote. It is no one's business who you vote for. There is a town manipulation that is going on. Pretty sick if you ask me. You become labeled or targeted if you don't have the same opinion. Basically, you automatically become "guilty of association" which is all so very narrow minded and sick. I never mentioned who I supported and voted for. Some things I like about the above local politicians and other things I don't. So What? I do not like 100% of any politician. All I can do is listen to each one's philosophy or go by what I have seen. Some decisions I agree with and others I don't. I can't speak for anyone else including them. ALL the residents who voted them in, has given them the power to make choices for ALL the residents. If any residents feels slighted in any way by these politicians they simply don't vote for them again. D4 is the district that has the most complaints, problems and needs.

Why not let tourist pay for parking ??

The town could use the revenue. Just look at yesterdays APPRESS (section B page 1) article on parking.

But we should still restrict it at night for placard holders.

RF, How do you know that our town for sure or any other town for that matter will not be going down the tubes or in any great danger? I have heard that many times before. Guess what? The town did go down the tubes. What makes our town so special that we will escape the radical change? I thought the same thing about Toms River, Seaside Heights a while back. Sorry, I personally have seen the change and so have others including tourist. The change is not only in the summer, it is off season too. So are you telling me there has been problems like this before and it has been going on for decades. Are you a policeman? The police department acknowledged there is problems, the worst in 17 years. Your answer is extra police presence, How many? Do we just keep on raising the amount of police needed for the different waves of tourist? Where does it stop? Maybe that is were we do not agree. I do not feel a resident should have to pay for all the extra police every time the tourists get out of hand. My own neighbors and other resident have complained that we have to many police both in the winter and summer. They feel it is political and police are taking advantage of the situation and making more out things then it is, for their own benefit. Personally, I would rather the police. Do I totally agree on what is decided and the outcome all the time. No! Now, you know that will never happen with the politicians. But like I said, residents, police and businesses is playing politics too.

RF, Just curious, How do you think Barrella and his crew came to power? Now everyone can believe what they want. Enough residents voted for them and gave them power. On the contrary of what you think, many residents do not agree with the boardwalk,what they are getting away, doing and done. I know there is a few dozen residents going back and fourth on the patch, most recently a few extra bar owners and employees of the boardwalk. I can promise you that is not the majority. I would say there is a lot of silent residents. Again, everyone is painting their own political painting. Seeing, Believing and hearing what they want. You are not going to change that or them. I agree, AMEN!

Right GG---we are not the majority---which is why most people voted for someone other than Barrella in November and self described Barrellista Loder lost by hundreds of votes in June. The majority understands, and more and more see it everyday. Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally have never been about residents, simply vendettas. You are in for a rude awakening in each of the next three Novembers.

GG- Barrella came to power thanks to Joe Billotti, who was gunning for Vogel when he(they) enacted the 3% Hotel/Motel Tax. . .Then the story goes that Barrella double crossed Billotti. . .and Billotti then went after him with the recall petitions. Corbally was a Republican at one time(up to 2003) Began to have differences with the Regulars. Ran against them in 2003 and lost. Then switched parties in 2004 and has been on Council since. Do I have that correct Mike? Please don't answer. . .Tooker and Cervino came in with Barrella in 2007 as Club supported Republicans. Cervino I believe supported repeal of Motel tax, and I believe Tooker did not. . .As reported in Tourist Study: that tax revenue in 2006 amounted; if I recollect, around $244K. . .

I did too, Well than the residents need to either call the owner themselves or the police.

Sorry, wrong district. I assume that you are talking about the same cops that have been ignoring a diesel bus that has been idling for the last TEN HOURS! Again, wrong district.

Beach, Waiting 10 hours to call the police accomplishes what?

About the same as calling them. We are talking about a FULL SIZE BUS parked in plain sight. The count is now up to 20 hours, there's probably people sleeping in there. This wouldn't have lasted 20 MINUTES in the Promised Land of District 4, would it?

Do oyu have a reference, date, whatever, maybe a copy if this to support what you,represent.

Is there a shield law to protect politicians from lawsuits to recover expenses that they have caused through gross negligence?

The resident taxes already went up substantially... They are slowly pushing the residents out of PPB. It has become unaffordable to so many. That is the reason why so many are trying to sell their homes. Unfortunately during the economy, the spiral decline in real-estate they can't sell. They are stuck. They will either sink or swim. Maybe the BW should start buying every house they can in D4. Some town residents should be ashamed of themselves.

Tiki Truth- if you read the lawsiut filed by the Charter boats & Marinas...in the complaint it cites the law and agreement with state, when they accepted money for storm damage. Click on lawsuit pdf file at upper right of 'patch' news article...

http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/fisherman-fight-point-beach-parking-plan#c

I remember years ago the police were always on the boardwalk when Jenks and Martells closed. Has that changed? The difference now: it's a thousand people leaving not a couple hundred. These guests ( I use the term loosely) are not usually locals. The feel no need to respect the residents. Let's face it quite a few of them are drunk.

Residents should not have to endure that. Years ago my parents and their neighbors hired an attorney and started a fight to rid the Boro of the Silver Dollar. They were dealing with everything that the Beach residents are enduring now just on a smaller scale. It took a while but it worked for the residents.

Just because some of the posters on here don't live in the area or have an ax to grind with some of the elected officials doesn't mean those who live in the area and are bothered should just shut up and endure it.

Agree with you Rick. As long as Jenks etc keeps emphasizing PPB as the place to go for a wild and late nite party, the odds of a major crowd 'incident' happening only increases. I also fear the former label of PPB being family-oriented will start to fade. Only see a few posters here with the same focus of concern as opposed to those focused on politics between a council and BW.

P C

All those items donated by the Storino's would they then be considered bribes?

Laura Beeden: PLEASE stop meddling in Point Beach affairs once and for all. WHY, WHY, WHY are you so obsessed with the Beach and our issues? What's the matter -- things getting a little too dull for the Point Boro gadfly, so you feel the compulsion to trespass into Beach government matters. Don't you have a budget to read and comment on in Point Boro? We have enough malcontents of our own here in the Beach without YOU running interference and putting in your worthless 2 cents. So -- you are dismissed -- GO AWAY now. Thanks.

Just another retired government employee feeding off the residents and good people of New Jersey. Did you take a job at the BW yet? There is that word again, being used loosely. "INVESTIGATE" You have connections in that field. Maybe you can help in the investigation and don't stop..follow the money trail. "Good Faith" How many here are really acting in good faith for our community residents? It gets less and less do to "GREED"

hippocratic oath: THIS IS HYSTERICAL, Telling one person to stop posting because they do not live in the town of Point Pleasant Beach. Stop meddling in Point Beach affairs. Do you even live here yourself? How do we know? You are leaving yourself out in the malcontents? That I am almost sure goes under a few alias already. It is so.....Obvious. You do not have a problem with all the other allias that are from other towns who are constantly posting because they are in your favor? So-- you are dismissed--GO AWAY now. Thanks.

wink, wink....bribe. We are asking for nothing in return

Sure it is always different when you are on the opposite side. We know you are a supporter of the running candidates Andy Cortes and Stephen Reid. How is Wrestling going?

Jim,the people on this post will not allow you to be "just a resident"..if you complain about quality of life than you are labeled a "Barrella supporter"..I have stated over and over that I did not agree with the ordinances...I am a resident that is seeing our town changing and getting out of control. I have lived here for over 10 years and it was nowhere like it is now when we moved here....I have been attacked and accused of all sorts of things...The BW and the residents met over a year ago and EVERYONE agreed there is a problem....The solution to the problem has become Political,,,so when you stand up as a resident,the people that post here will either tell you,it has not changed etc....but everyone involved have already agreed that it has....I have tried to walk away but so many residents want to fight for what it once was and want to stop it from becoming seaside so I will stay in it....we need to find a solution and ignore the people that continue to defend the side that they are on....The residents are STILL holding the bag and still paying to subsidize what is needed for the town....We need to find a solution and ignore all those that are saying nothing has changed........

Cathy Kelly: It's really time for you to go back to Staten Island. You've done enough damage to PPB -- meddling in the political affairs which you know absolutely NOTHING about! Your masquerade of being "just a resident" is getting old quick and the fix is in. You have violated the residents' trust through your false pretenses and peddled your misguided influence through your silly email chain. YOU -- Cathy Kelly -- pandered to and supported Barrella, Tooker, Corbally, and Gordon -- the very GANG of FOUR that gave away $800,000 in "tourism revenue" and handed the bill right back to the residents! If you really wanted to "help the residents" -- you would shut your ignorant mouth now and just GO AWAY.

Just another multi personality poster who obviously is a family member, friend of the boardwalk who is profiteering from the boardwalk and also supports the new political candidates Andy Cortes and Stephen Reid. Who feed off the town residents.

Nope...sorry...none of the above, PPB Prof. Not related to any family or friend of the BW, and I'm not publicly supporting any political candidates. I'm just someone who REALLY does care about the town and is also intelligent enough to recognize who is ruining my investment....that would be Barrella, Tooker, Corbally, and Gordon. I actually voted for 2 of the 4 stooges -- NEVER AGAIN though !!!

it is a "recreational/commerical zone

hippocratic,aka been here before,aka,just the truth....I see I hit a nerve....Why are you so afraid of people speaking the truth?...It is so obvious that you do not want the residents knowing the truth and speaking up.....How did I have ANYTHING to do with giving away $800,000.? please explain,I need a good laugh.........

hippocratic,must make you feel like a big person to say such harsh words to me as you hide behind your little fake name....you are a joke......

Cathy Kelly: I am a new reader here on Patch and I have no other "aka" aliases. You should be far more concerned with your own idiotic and offensive behavior -- than you are trying to figure out who I am and what my political persuasions are. Anyway -- if you can't figure out how you're directly culpable for the politcal mayhem going on here in PPB -- then you are more stupid than I originally thought. I certainly don't have the time to explain it to you. See you in Court when you're subpeoned to testify about the unethical activity on your email chain. Oh, then I'll be the one having the good laugh...LMAO that is.

Mailman,I am being sincere when I ask this,I know the bars have their own security to handle situations that occur in the bars..I was told that the security in the bars take the situations out of the bar and than it becomes a town Police problem. Can you tell me if this is the case or just a rumor? Does the security in the bar handle it from start to finish or does it become the towns problem?

They couldn't even handle the gang fight of 3 last summer. They had to call the town police for back up. They are blowing smoke up everyone's butt. This town is done if a big brawl lets loose. One of our police just received an award for the gang fight of 3. Only in the Beach!

mailman,again I am being sincere, I don't think most residents care about what happens in the bar,they care about what happens in the streets,at their houses,in the neighborhood,etc....do the bouncers and the security people handle anything that happens outside of the bars....Again,why would the residents care about what happens inside?

Cathy Kelly: Why do you feel compelled to begin your post using the words: "I am being sincere when I ask this"? Are you NOT ALWAYS sincere, or just sometimes? LOL....

hippo,no pun intended,hahahahaha now you really did make me laugh,hope to see you in court,I will be there with bells on,hahahaha

@PPBProfiteering At the time the gang fight went down, the armed private security was not working. Just the unarmed, night flunkies were around.

Nope...sorry...none of the above, PPB Prof. Not related to any family or friend of the BW, and I'm not publicly supporting any political candidates. I'm just someone who REALLY does care about the town and is also intelligent enough to recognize who is ruining my investment....that would be Barrella, Tooker, Corbally, and Gordon. I actually voted for 2 of the 4 stooges -- NEVER AGAIN though !!!

No one in their right mind would bring their wives, girlfriends, kids and or grand kids over 21 to subject themselves to rude drunken behavior at those hours. If you really knew those who are leaving comments, you would be able to connect the dots, the real reason of support. One of few things...Political opportunities currently or near future, financial gain now or in near future...It is all about Jobs or Money and these towns down the "Jersey Shore" are very well connected.

Moon,you talk about ridiculous posts and than you proceed to compare the BW Bars to the stationary story and hardware store and yet you probably don't even see how ridiculous that sounds....I don't think any of this situation is funny,as a matter of fact,it actually sickens me. I find the comments like yours and some others funny...When a legitimate question is asked,you get all defensive,why?

BS....This town is going down the "BOB" Watch who you call orphans misfit.

Oh Cathy, please focus. YOU asked " I ask this,I know the bars have their own security to handle situations that occur in the bars..I was told that the security in the bars take the situations out of the bar and than it becomes a town Police problem. Can you tell me if this is the case or just a rumor? Does the security in the bar handle it from start to finish or does it become the towns problem?".
I was merely giving you an example of any business in town having the right to ask for police assistance regardless of WHO or WHERE, without bias. And BTW, when the town collects taxes...they don't discriminate. You pay, I pay and all businesses pay so we all have the right to ask for police assistance.

Beach_N8iv: I do not know what happen to Mr Cav's lawn, but what ever happened?or what someone did? The police should be looking in to that. Now in reference to your remarks about BENNY come latelys just shows me how small minded you are. Every one is politicizing including yourself. BTW...I can promise you this, Majority of the people that live here are BENNY'S, there is very little residents that are left that were originally from here.

Laura, LOL...Agreed, But then no one would be leaving comments, would they? No, because everyone would know who the bullies are. They would also follow who is connected to who and what? You would see the greed of financial gain, or maybe not. Hard to prove. It is not just the BW that has connections, Jobs are given out freely to friends in the town and schools too. You will discover who's mother, father, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, son, daughter, friends is getting financial gain through their employment. Some are even double dipping, working for both the town, school and the BW.... off all the other good residents of NJ....Why would they want it all to stop.

So Laura, because you use A first name does that mean I am supposed to know who you are? maybe Laura is not your real name, how are we supposed to know....
Post your full name and maybe you can laugh about other people remaining anonymous.

After seeing what happened to Mr. Cav's lawn I don't blame people for wanting anonymity. This is a small town with a great many small minds. BENNY come latelys aside a lot of long time residents know each other and this is an issue that has torn this town apart like NOTHING I have seen in the past. Friends and neighbors are at each other's throats over this and all because a few BENNY come latelys have decided to make a fuss and got the attention of a few politicians that have nothing better to do than spend OUR money to defend themselves and the town from lawsuits that THEIR bad decisions have generated.

Vin,,, Trust me... The residents are not just talking about noise....It is much worse than that. I am almost sure the houses were there before the boardwalk. Please refrain from calling others idiots. I am sure you have been an idiot yourself at times.

F/T: The last thing we need is another lawyer and Judge in the mix. We already have to many in the mix, loving all the money they are making.

Hear, hear

grats.. I've lived on the shore since I was born 35 years ago. While I will agree it has seemingly gotten worse over the last several years, it has been a steady climb and really something you should have expected when you bought a house there.

That's why when I finally could afford to purchase a home I didn't buy there. I bought slightly inland in brick.

p.s. 13 years .. your still a benny

You mean like the referendum on the parking scam? Why go to the trouble and expense when the politicians are just going to ignore the results?

They billotti - motel mogul bloc voted down a bar referendum last august.

The parking referendum question was going to be only for D4. Sean insisted that it be for the entire town, but voted against it anyway.

KH was at rizzo's house for that special phone in appearance. Interesting how they included a phone in meet when they had just taken it away because Tooker took the time to call in from her vacation.

What a double standard that was??

Follow the donation money

The bloc thought that by making it townwide it would get out more votes against it. They were right on that one.

It is interesting that (the remains and replacement of the billotti bloc) this year the may want to know the voter sentiment but last year could not give a rats prat. Also "grima wormtongue" said that all taxpayers should have a say

blindbert- the bar referendum was voted down in part: thanks to you's in D4 who were pushing for it...and Barrella's games he was playing with the BW. . .I think he called it negotiations...which gave Hennessy the excuse to vote against it. . .

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1257

Born here. I don't care what you paid for your house, meaningless. What I do care about is how you BCLs move here and tell US what WE have to do to make you happy. I don't see why people who are trying to make a living, YEAR ROUND RESIDENTS who depend on the Summer to make a buck should be harmed by you BCLs who didn't notice a huge entertainment area when you bought your house. Don't like the town? LEAVE!

Hi PT. Not all long-time residents likes the term bennie or benny, since many realize that they are the ones who ultimately support the town, be it spending on the boardwalk, in town, or, like yourself, purchasing a vacation home. If you have to be born at the shore, than I am also a "bennie", despite 50+ years in PPB as both a summer and year round resident. I certainly don't consider you a "bennie". You are my neighbor with an opposing viewpoint. FYI, in the 70s and 80s there was a home owned by locals on RT35 in Bay Head that hosted an annual "Goodbye Bennies" every Labor Day. It always irritated me.

Redneck locals? Well don't you just think you're god's gift.

Laura Beeden

Is that good enough for you? Grew up in Bay Head, graduated from the Beach High School, live in the Boro. I also prefer animals to most people, especially preferable to those of your ilk.

Read my post,
I am OK with the 2am closing but would like to see the parking plan stay....
What is so wrong with that???

Tim, I guess we will just have to wait for a decision on that to see if it happens. A judge interprets the law, and that statute is on the books, whether you agree or not. If you haven't noticed, this issue has residents pitted against each other already. Putting it to a vote would end the controversy over what the voters want. You are also preaching to the choir, most likely not having read my previous posts, as I am adamantly opposed to the 12AM Ordinance and believe that a majority of the voters also oppose it, which is the reason I am hoping for referendum. If not, I will live with the decision. As for my "legal circles" my information comes from a childhood friend who is now a county superior judge, and from a friend, a former Point Pleasant Beach resident and ex-council person, who is also in the legal profession and still has ties to our community. I respect their opinions and will tell you that their predictions up until now have been right on point.

Does blindernie know where you are?

Ok PPNB- funniest line on the patch!

PPNB, that really is a great post!

;) Indeed.

Actually Tim, I pretty much agree that it had all the characteristics of a shakedown. We are closer on the issues than you think. Have a nice evening.

Paul- did you read the interview of Pat Storino on the 'patch'. I think he addresses a number of issues you bring up. . .and remember: him and his family live in the Beach!

http://pointpleasant.patch.com/articles/midnight-closing-will-force-50-layoffs-at-jenkinson-s-says-storino

Nick,once again I will respond to your ridiculous post....I am fully aware that there is no BW jail.....The bottom line is,the security in the bars remove the problem inside the bars and put it on the Boardwalk which than becomes the towns problem which means the residents are paying for the resources being used...I know that the residents call the Police,the businesses in town call the Police so I am going to ask for a breakdown of where the most calls are coming from...Do you have a problem with that Nick? The BW has won the battle so they have the ball in their hands,they can make a donation to the Police Endowment fund and help cover the cost that is now being paid for by the residents,,,I am anxiously waiting to see if they are going to be good neighbors and show the residents that it was all the councils fault and they are going to do the right thing.....

Nick, Agreed, It can't be left all on the BW, they do not have the authority. They should be working together like you said....If they can't get it under control then it is up to the town to do something about it....Every time the town tries to do something the BW threatens with a lawsuit. They do not want to work with the town either and no matter what a few bloggers say on here say. Many residents see it that way. Now, the Town can't tell the BW how to run their business. Who they are marketing to? But...They do have a responsibility to both the residents and tourist by taking precautions that the BW is a safe atmosphere for all. I do not know what mall cops can do, but I do know, when the Mall had a few fights, the town had the authority to close it down to keep everyone safe, and they did. Yes, they reopened the next day...the point is the town has the authority to close a place down if they deem it unsafe. The BW would never agree to assume full responsibility if they admitted they will not even open a parking lot they own for their late night customers. Why is that? Because they do not want the responsibility either. They would get sued if something happen. Their insurance would sky rocket. They already made it clear they do not want to pay anymore money. They would rather the town take responsibility and get sued. More money is taken from budget every year to pay for extra police needed for the BW area. I hear a lot of excuses on why? The BW does not want to pay.

I responded to that last week or two ago. I guess you are too busy with your mutlpatching disorder to remember? Look it up

If they wanted to be good neighbors to the residents surrounding the BW area, Yes they would. They don't, so they will make excuses and do anything to divert attention away from the problems and discredit anyone that will try. Please, don't tell me I am for the Mayor, or the Fab four. As many know, this has been going on for years. Comments that are made on here blame the council, Mayor is playing politics. Yes, they all are...Not just the Fab four that some on here complain about...You vote them out and you will get 4 more Fab four that the BW and special interest groups who play politics will want to get rid of them too. Like a few have said on here, All sides are playing politics. If anyone on here claims that is not happening then they are just fooling themselves. Try telling the residents when you are all campaigning. Try blaming it on the Mayor and Fab 4. They just might shoo you away. They no it is more than them that is causing all the problems.

CK , I believe the best response to your suggestion was already given, "please, sir, may I have another?". Extortion and inexcusable treatment does not bode well for the possibility of a donation.

You will just be posting under a new alias!

And that is YOUR opinion....
What is so wrong with the parking plan?

Love how you label everyone a BW Hater...Why...

Other than the voters (the REAL residents) said NO? Why nothing.

;) Indeed.

Part timer there is alot wrong with the parking plan. Mostly it is a huge pain in the ...! Try having teenagers that want sleep overs with other teens from town but not in Dist 4, total pain trying to arrange parking for them all!

blindbert- the bar referendum was voted down in part: thanks to you's in D4 who were pushing for it, with Corbally leading the charge...and then you had Barrella's games, that he was playing with the BW. . .I think he called it "negotiations"...which gave Hennessy the excuse to vote against it. . .

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1257

I do not think so...It is hard when a holiday is during the week...unless they are down for a vacation week. It is going to be the weekend that is going to be busy, to come down for one day is hard when you have to go to work the next day. Unless it rains...then it will be a wash out.

No Parking Plan. 80K to First Aid, Fire Company, Little League until bully politicians replaced and then money donated for specials and implement anything and everything else that works to protect the residents' and the BW's (and other businesses) investment in PPB. Face it-----the BW is not going to do anything to help as long as Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally sit on Council. If you were the BW, would you?

BF: You are wrong...Sour grapes=NO.....BW EXCUSES= YES!

Keep trying Paul. No one is listening---but keep trying. You have 3 years to save Barrella-----but it is not enough

But right on. Paul is just a sour grapes Benny Come Lately who can't stand the fact that Barrella is such a screw up

BF, SOUR GRAPES=NO. I Do not care about BARELLA and how many times you think he screwed up. BW=EXCUSES. BENNY COME LATELY=NO

Paul---That was not even a good try. Bw does not need excuses. BW offered 8000K and Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally made up an excuse for not taking it. Residents lose because of politicians playing politics. And I know you want to chirp the Barrella nonsense about "no mechanism." Mechanism was simple. Ordinances withdrawn. Money shows great, money no show, ordinances get passed. Tell me, how does the BW insure that if they pay, the Council won't turn around and pass the ordinances anyway? How would they get the money back or force the Council to withdraw the ordinances? Never thought of that, did you?

BF, Simply put everything in Writing. They have enough lawyers. This has nothing to do with chirping the Barrella nonsense. This is about being a good neighbor to the residents surrounding their businesses.

Yeah, I suppose I am, ESPECIALLY when dealing with the BENNY come lately crowd. You aren't even the first person to point that out today.

Paul. Find a lawyer friend who you can trust and ask him if a municipality can sign an enforceable agreement to not pass legislation? They can not, because if they could, then whenever the majority party was to change the last act of the outgoing party would be to sign an agreement agreeing not to pass whatever legislation the new group was touting. For example I'm sure no one, me included, would have thought it ok for the outgoing council in 2010 to sign an agreement preventing the new council from repealing the hotel/motel tax. You see the problem, Paul, don't you?

Sorry Spooner but you do not know what you are talking about. The law says that the Director can void the ordinance if it was passed for an "improper purpose." Based on the on the record comments of the Council, particularly Gordon, Full Timer is correct-slam dunk before the Director, the Appellate Division and the Supreme Court

BF- what's interesting...at April 17, 2012 meeting...five of them on Council, including Gordon and Tooker voted to defeat Ordinance 2012-13(Early Bar Closing) Wonder how their going to explain that vote to the Director. . .talk about dysfunctional!...

Page 1
ORDINANCE 2012-13
AN ORDINANCE OF THE BOROUGH OF POINT PLEASANT BEACH,
COUNTY OF OCEAN AND STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AMENDING AND
SUPPLEMENTING CHAPTER IV, ENTITLED “ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
CONTROL,” ADDRESSING HOURS OF OPERATION

Motion by Councilman Lurie to defeat Ordinance 2012-13 was seconded by Councilman Reid and carried by roll call vote.
VOTE: Council Members Tooker, Gordon, Mayer, Lurie, Reid….YEA
Councilman Corbally….NAY

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1385

PT---you think you would have learned you lesson on hearsay with that bar on LBI your "cousin" told you about. 500 passees, huh? Where did you hear that? Was it Barrella or Tooker or Corbally or Gordon. If you can't cite a source, and you have been debunked time and time again, why keep posting? We are not interested in unsubstaniated nonsense

BF, So i am supposed to just Bow to you in what ever you say....
It is funny how you never offer your source when quoting or bashing someone else...
Again, call the borough hall office and ask them.

PT---you don't have to Bow, althought that would be nice. What you do have to do is stop with the hearsay and cite sources. If there is a fact I've posted that you would like a cite to, just ask. There are no facts posted by me that do not have a source I can point to. You can't make that claim can you? How is your "cousin?"

they can live in ppb, just not in "the people's republic D4" and only get one pass if they apply.........how many did the residents of D4 get?

The Barella administration is not capable of managing ANYTHING. They messed up the bar closings and the parking ban. Look at the money the wasted fixing the little league field that was not broken. I hear kids do not even play on it . They bought a parking lot that nobody wants to park in. Think they have proven we need a real recall this time !

Agreed, I would hardly call 25 a Kid....These are publicity stunts and they are all in on it. It is a show,, It just attracts more trouble.....It brings more in that enjoy this kind of entertainment....,Everyone makes money including the police. More OT for them... Who owns Seaside Beaches?

Paul- the Council meeting minutes don't support your allegations...other than Reid voting against the budget and making mention of using surplus to address the 64% increase in property taxes over the past 5 years. . .

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1385

Why do you feel the need to make up stuff about Reid? I understand you are disappointed. Barrella misled you and acted like a jerk. But why not stick to the facts? Why try and pretend? Gut a cite to minute meetings substantiating your claims? Did not think so? But thanks for trying.

PS---what have you to say to the over 800 people who voted for Reid in Nov and the almost 500 who voted for him in June?

PPS---and I guess you don't go to the meetings in the winter because you are pretending to be not a full time resident---as one of your other posting names would say hahah

Fact Checker, I think calling Mr. Bill Mayer a liar is harsh.. By the explanations from all of them it seems like a lot of misunderstandings of what was said by whom. But like I said, in my other comments to Bully Fighter, This just proves me right, you have all these council members, Gordon, Tooker, Bill Mayer, having discussions with the BW owners, and lawyers and Public relations Ms. Halvorsen. They all have a different understand of what happened and what was said? They are all recalling their own understanding which was different from each others. So basically they are all misunderstanding the conversation of what was said, offered and conditions. After reading this, What I am getting out of this, They are all contradicting each other. Like I said in other comments, It is a game of He said, She said, and this was before I even read this thanks to you. Not that I am saying I agree with all of it, but it surely seems that both sides were trying to come up with some type of offer, they're definitely were conditions on giving the money. It seemed like the BW wanted to give the money, the town to accept it instead of ordinances,,,,,this would not be considered a bribe? Did the ABC see this conversation of what expired between all parties? Not that I am saying I agree with the Ordinances, but no one is innocent here. They were all having discussions, Clearly they wanted to offer money in exchange for removal of ordinances and conditions did apply.

Look, I understand you want to blame everybody because otherwise your heroes are to blame. And, unfortunately for you , that is the truth. Barrela Tooker Corbally and Gordon pandered to squeaky wheels and then were left with no choice but to try and please the squeaky wheels and they overplayed their hand to the detriment of all residents.
No misunderstandings. Only you wishing the facts were different and their was confusion because "You can't handle the truth."

Fact Checker, I was at that meeting. You can twist it, turn it. I do not know if the girl was typing away. All I know he questioned the budget. He had a lot to say. Admitted he did not read the budget. His only advise was to pull it from the surplus. Bill Mayer was totally against doing this and so was Barrella. Maybe you need to look a little harder being you know were to get the information from. Don't play one way, it is not allegations, Everyone at that meeting could not believe what he was saying. They were also saying, I can't believe I am saying this, but Rizzo knows more than Reid. I did not say that, but other residents around me did.

Paul----Good job trying to change the subject from the dismal job done by the Fab Four. But we believe the minutes, not your biased perceptions. Thanks for playing, but you lose again.

Nick? Good job playing "hide the expenses" To know that I was going to vote "NO" for the budget. So obviously you are a councilmen. Paul I never took a position on who I supported or continue to support. I was just answering to other comments that were being made. It is very difficult for me to get every council meeting. I wish they would televise the meetings. I never said Gordon didn't do the exact same thing. If you say you seen it or personally experienced this, I have no reason not to believe you. I am just sick of all the incredible spinning going on from all the different post when a resident has and opinion on something or what has been said. Just look at this council with all the dealings and misunderstandings that has been going on. Randi posted his opinions and I happen to agree, the only difference is they are ALL responsible for the mismanagement that is going on. Not just the FAB 4 and the Mayor that the multiple posters who are attacking one side only and trying to discredit the other. You do not think the residents who do not post but read these post are not going to see through that conspiracy theories that I am getting excused for. I am getting accused that I did not hear and see what I did. They want me to consider their side, I do not see a lot of proof from them. They are telling you to post facts and they don't. Listen, I might have worded it wrong about a council meeting. I was not trying to discredit anyone.

I'm pretty sure that the boardwalk has their own person in there recording everything that is said.

Paul:
#1) Admit you're a conspiracy theorist and knock off all the BS now.

#2) If you're going to post what YOU represent as FACTS, back it up with proof! Bully Fighter gave you the town website to do your homework. Knock it off with the lame excuse: "When I get a little time I will check the town's hard to read minutes." The meeting minutes are NOT hard to read unless you are illiterate! Put your money where your mouth is! $hit or get off the pot, ma'am. Spare us with your jibberish rambling BS rhetoric without the facts to back up your statements -- PROVE IT!

#3) "PAUL'S" WORDS: "I do not know if the what Point Pleasant procedure is. Do they take everything that is said, or do they delete and record some of what is said. It would not surprise me if they did."
Paul: Are you calling Maryann Ellsworth a LIAR too? Maryann is one of the most honest and trustworthy characters in that room during the Council Meetings. She prepares the minutes based on the tape recorded proceedings. Are you actually suggesting that she would add or omit pertinent facts? If yes, please revert back to #1 -- you are a conspiracy theorist.

#4) What qualifications do you hold to classify yourself as a body language expert. "Talk to the hand" gestures and interpretations of "eye rolling" would be best left to Tanya Raiman (FOX News' Bill O'Reilly's body language expert -- you do NOT qualify for the position.)

#5) When in doubt -- just do your work & cite the minutes!

Part timer. Is your house east or west of the Keeffer House? I drove down central avenue this morning. It Is a very nIce street.

Hey 'Part Timer'-I quoted right out of the 04/17/2012 minutes. . .how about back tracking - read it and paste what Reid said. . .I dare you! . . .or cut the BS. . .And why don't you respond to the 64% property tax increase. . .not to mention the nearly 14% increase your going to be getting next month. . .I know...the way you deal with all that . . .your one of those hypocrites...running down to the property assessor looking for your cut your taxes?

You'll are in denial. . .to the fact that the state and it's municipalities cannot continue to keep the govt machine costs growing... a situation unions and politicians created. . .This BW episode is nothing more than being symptomatic and a subterfuge...attempting to prop it up what cannot be sustained. . .

PS: since you use a moniker...even if you deny going to the assessor...we have no way of knowing the truth. . .Kind of a "catch 22"

Yes. You are a conspiracy theorist. No one cares about you anymore, you, in all your various forms, have become irrelevant because you are Barrellized. How can it be Mayer, Reid and Lurie’s fault? They voted against Barrella Tooker Gordon and Corbally’s idiotic power grab.

PS---You ought to read Nick’s post again. What makes you think he is a councilman? This quote here: “As for Reid, let me tell you, I wouldn't have to read that municipal budget. . . to know that I was going to vote ‘no.’ ” Do you see all Nick said was what Reid was thinking, not what Nick was thinking. Too tough for you to process?
You see Reid’s trouble with the Budget, don’t you? The huge tax increase. Reid’s point was simple. “I am not voting for a huge tax increase. Go back, do better.” Barrella said, “We did the best we can.” So Reid voted no. Reid looking out for taxpayers. Barrella creating huge surplus now so tax increase in year he runs again is low. A trick Barrella learned from Dan Hennessey.
And if I am reading you correctly you now claim these things you think you saw and heard at a council meeting occurred “off the record.” How convenient. ” You do realize that what any of the Fab Four say about Stephen Reid is just spin, don’t you? And now you are repeating the hearsay spin. Despicable. And the reason you are irrelevant. But please keep posting. The damage you do your side with each post is truly priceless.

Dude.... chill

Paul- Reid & Lurie wanted a continuation of furloughs. . .this was their point in wanting to lower property tax increases . . .A point that will be realized in about a month or so when PPB municipal taxes will go up about 14%. The question everybody should be asking. . .is when Barrella stated at that meeting: "had $1.7M is surplus this year because of long-term planning in preparing 2011 budget)"...

Not knowing how much surplus was available in 2010...other than what Barrella said at 07/06/2010 meeting regarding the budget: "go up another 1.6 cents and put it away for a rainy day – looking to build surplus – more important to protect Point Pleasant Beach than to give false impression of low tax increase – agreed with spending cuts, advised cutting more – let's convince employees who realize it means jobs if we don’t fix this"...

So the Mayor was in agreement with the $265K appropriation for the Specials budget in 2010, which was $100K less than the 2009 appropriation of $365K? This led to the under manning of enforcement in 2011, since money appropriated in the prior year determines how many Specials are hired for the follow year. . .$265K in 2010 used in 2011 for enforcement at BW...

PS : you see all this. . .it could possibly be used against town in the BW bar closing appeal?

paul- cannot post minutes due to word limitation here, but will post link...

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1352

..also came across this. . .which is very interesting if you like to read 2012 PPB town budget...

http://www.pointpleasantbeach.org/documents/budget_2012.pdf

What is with this "I am calling you out" nonsense! You sound like a kid wanting to fight! Give me a break! You said that you were at the 3/20/12 council meeting so why then are you asking Spooner to post the minutes of the meeting. Don't you remember what happened at the meeting, what media was there? Too much Sangria!

mattmurphy: Right on brother!
Paul (aka Mrs. M.) is blah, blah, blahing once again. Needs to go back to Europa for a nightcap after midnight.

Paul: Spooner has already stated that he cannot post minutes due to a word limitation here on Patch. But, he has given you the link. Why can't YOU READ the minutes yourself -- pick out the part that YOU THINK makes your point (that's assuming you really even have a point) -- copy and paste -- and post them here yourself? Why is that so difficult that you need to ask Spooner to do it for you? You can do the same for the Ocean Star coverage that you're desperately seeking. Why ask others to do your work for you? You seem to have plenty of time to post on Patch all hours of the day and night, so surely you have the time to do the research to support your ramblings, no?

negotiator- don't quite understand his point about Reid being chastised by Barrella for wanting to use surplus to keep tax increases down. If you read what I posted above. . .Barrella was on a roll to build up surplus. . .Take a look at the 2012 budget. . .he(FAB-4) used up about $1.2M of the $1.7 M accumulated surplus. They(Reid & Lurie) wanted to continue with furloughs, building up surplus and then using money to hold down property taxes. . .Take a look at sheet 3C. . .accumulated absentee liability. . .you see that number of $1,277,097. . .looks like an IOU those employees have a claim on the town for?